Riots in Minneapolis

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Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen.

I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered.

That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides.

If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.

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6 hours ago, Numenor said:

Not an argument.

As if your comment, which precipitated it, was some intellectual revelation.

Hahaha

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“But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.”


― Martin Luther King Jr.

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8 hours ago, Numenor said:

Ah hah I was waiting for this excuse to rear its head, now in the form of a vague quote with no commentary. Excuse the egregious criminal acts but ignore the internal problems within a community, makes sense. This thinking will keep the black community down for another 100 years.

Socioeconomic status is 0 excuse for violent crime (which includes RAPE) in a modern society.

I mean....there's a pretty clear causal link between poverty, lack of opportunity, poor education and crime. Not to mention the intentional introduction of crack into the inner city, Black community as a way to dismantle organized social justice work. The school to prison pipeline doesn't help either.

But I guess the question is this: WHY do YOU think Black people commit and disproportionate amount of violent crimes?

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7 hours ago, Numenor said:

There are obvious issues within the black community at its very core that can ONLY be solved by the black community.

Oh WOW!, never mind, I didn't think you'd come right out and say it.

I'm no longer curious either if you were intentionally dog whistling in highlighting rape in an otherwise general list of violent crimes or not.

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23 hours ago, Numenor said:

Snark? There are obvious issues within the black community at its very core that can ONLY be solved by the black community. No amount of amount of money, forgiveness of petty crimes or govt programs will solve the issues which include fatherless homes (near 70%) in the black community.

Also I mentioned rape for a reason, guess that's tied to socioeconomic status too right? 30% of rapes and 2-3% of the population....

C'mon now.

There are reasons why there have been more fatherless children in Black families in America. Anyone want to explain?

I posted this years ago. Violent crime, especially gang killings needed the help of the police, and elected officials working together. Having police get to know the good people helped reduce police killings of innocent people in the neighborhoods. It stayed down in South LA as of the most recent statistics.

Los Angeles to Chicago: What WE did to combat murder and violence

... We recognized that screaming for more police, prosecutors and draconian jail sentences wouldn't stop the mayhem. It would take an angered, fearless and proactive community effort. We launched a broad campaign that we called "Get the Killers Off the Streets."

We prodded family members, friends and relatives of young men and women gunned down to stand with us in a series of roving neighborhood candlelight vigils and marches.

We circulated fliers with a hotline number that witnesses could call to provide information and remain anonymous.

We asked callers to provide license plate numbers and car descriptions and, in some cases, to name names.

This information was passed on in confidence to police liaison officials. We knew that getting people, many of whom had information, to shed their fear of retaliation and provide information anonymously was key to making a dent in curbing the violence. In more than a few cases, this resulted in quick arrests...

... The murder rate in South LA plunged dramatically, and it has stayed down. Just knowing that our efforts spared a family from grieving over the murder of a son or a daughter made all of our efforts worth it. It's worth it in Chicago too...

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-los-angeles-chicago-crime-murder-violence-black-lives-perspec-0709-jm-20150708-story.html

https://allnurses-breakroom.com/south-la-peace-rally-t147172/?do=findComment&comment=1440842

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Peace Rally Held In South LA As Fears Of Rival Gang Competition Surge On Social Media

SOUTH LOS ANGELES (CBSLA.com) — Local activists took to the streets Monday night to raise awareness about a spike in violent crime in their community some blame on an alleged competition between gangs called “100 days of homicides.”

The use of the hashtag “#100daysand100nights” has surged over the past week, sparking fears of what many perceive to be a threat that two gangs are competing to be the first to kill 100 people in South Los Angeles...

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2015/07/27/peace-rally-held-in-south-la-as-fears-of-rival-gang-competition-surge-on-social-media/

SOUTH LOS ANGELES (CBSLA) — A peace march and rally was held Wednesday evening inside the park where four people — including a 5-year-old girl — were shot and wounded Tuesday.

The rally was organized by community activists, concerned parents and law enforcement.

https://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2019/05/15/peace-rally-held-where-girl-5-was-shot-in-the-back-along-with-3-adults/

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Did you watch the memorial service?

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Yes. The oppressed should never answer the violence of their oppressors with violence.

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3 men with ties to right-wing extremists plotted to terrorize Vegas protests, prosecutors say

Three Nevada men with ties to a loose movement of right-wing extremists advocating the overthrow of the U.S. government have been arrested on terrorism-related charges in what authorities say was a conspiracy to spark violence during recent protests in Las Vegas.

Federal prosecutors say the three white men with U.S. military experience are accused of conspiring to carry out a plan that began in April in conjunction with protests to reopen businesses closed because of the coronavirus.

More recently, they sought to capitalize on protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man who died in Minneapolis after a white officer pressed his knee into his neck for several minutes even after he stopped moving and pleading for air, prosecutors said.

The three men were arrested Saturday on the way to a protest in downtown Las Vegas after filling gas cans at a parking lot and making Molotov cocktails in glass bottles, according to a copy of the criminal complaint obtained by the Associated Press…

… The anti-government “boogaloo” movement is a loose network of gun enthusiasts who often express support for overthrowing the U.S. government. It's name, a reference to a 1984 movie sequel called “Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo,” is a code word for a second civil war…

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2020-06-03/prosecutors-3-men-plotted-to-terrorize-vegas-protests

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Ya lost me after “Federal prosecutors say”.. anything after that is going to be garbage..

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18 minutes ago, rzyzzy said:

Ya lost me after “Federal prosecutors say”.. anything after that is going to be garbage..

Apparenlty Trump was successful destroying any faith in American institutions...he's hoping that you will just depend upon and trust him now.

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1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Apparenlty Trump was successful destroying any faith in American institutions...he's hoping that you will just depend upon and trust him now.

We can't pin this all on Trump or any one party, that is way too easy to do. Stuff like this goes back decades, even centuries. Trump did not break the system, rather he is a symptom of that system that was never right in the first place. Our history as a nation has benefitted greatly from just enough people who have chosen to do just enough of the right things when they could have exploited the system even more instead. They just give us the illusion that we have a choice in how we run things and painstakingly slow progress spanning those centuries is just enough to keep enough people happy and ignorant of what we could really have

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Apparenlty Trump was successful destroying any faith in American institutions...he's hoping that you will just depend upon and trust him now.

The feebs earned their reputation for worthlessness fair and square, and well before trump

http://archive.jsonline.com/watchdog/watchdogreports/atf-uses-rogue-tactics-in-storefront-stings-across-the-nation-b99146765z1-234916641.html

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