Riots in Minneapolis

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Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen.

I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered.

That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides.

If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.

For anyone still unable to learn basic research skills. Proof is in the data. Getting incited by the media and the narrative of certain groups only helps to foster division..

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

https://scholar.harvard.edu/fryer/publications/empirical-analysis-racial-differences-police-use-force

Here is a white man killed by cops very similarly to GF's situation.

Did you hear about it?

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18 minutes ago, TomPaine said:

Minnesota is a deeply blue state (the last time the state voted red in a presidential election was 1972) and Minneapolis is a deep blue city, the last Republican mayor of Minneapolis was in 1973. The police chief is appointed by the mayor and the Minneapolis city council (see attached image) has exactly zero Republicans. Minneapolis is a Democrat-controlled city in a Democratic state. So if democrats control the state with the governor, the city of Minneapolis & St.Paul with the mayors, the police chiefs and the city councils why hasn't this problem been solved. Maybe the white supremacists are those in the Democratic party?? MN should be the perfect place to fix racism since it is and has been a left wing liberal state for a long time. So explain to me why these liberals, who have been in power for decades, haven't solved this issue? And why should people of color continue to vote for these liberals when they've had decades to fix the issues but clearly haven't?!

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I mentioned it before when the discussion was on education but both parties are terrible. They're two halves of the same corrupt side of the coin and they aren't as different as they appear to make themselves. Just giving us an illusion of choice is all

41 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

Not excusing the criminal acts. Criminals should be punished accordingly However, blowing off socioeconomic status including the opportunity for gainful & adequate employment does nothing to stem the problem.

Where did you get the “ignore the internal problems within a community” snark? Who and/or what is that aimed at?

Snark? There are obvious issues within the black community at its very core that can ONLY be solved by the black community. No amount of amount of money, forgiveness of petty crimes or govt programs will solve the issues which include fatherless homes (near 70%) in the black community.

Also I mentioned rape for a reason, guess that's tied to socioeconomic status too right? 30% of rapes and 2-3% of the population....

C'mon now.

2 hours ago, herring_RN said:

George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, Tamir Rice, Philando Castile, Emmett Till, Sandra Bland, Ezell Ford, Stephon Clark, Tanisha Anderson, Eric Garner, Atatiana Jefferson, Michael Brown, and many more.

All killed by police.

None of these killings resulted in a conviction.

- It's a little early, and disingenuous, to include George Floyd on that list.

- Emmet Till wasn't killed by the police. He was killed by civilians.

- Tamir Rice was carrying a replica gun and police responded to a person pointing a gun at passersby.

- Sandra Bland committed suicide by hanging while in her jail cell.

- Tanisha Anderson had mental illness and was fighting with officers.

- The cop who shot Atatiana Jefferson has been arrested and is awaiting trial.

- The Obama DOJ investigated the Michael Brown shooting and determined that the officer was justified in his actions. Please don't include him on this list.

Philando Castille, Ezell Ford, Stephon Clark were shot unnecessarily and charges should have been filed.

Please don't exaggerate to make your point, the truth is bad enough without having people like you post fake things to get people on your side.

I will agree that unchecked police power is bad. A simple Google search will show thousands of videos of police abusing their power against people of all races. It's not OK. The real problem, that I hope we can all agree on, is that policing needs to be reformed. They have too much power and abuse it on a regular basis against citizens of all races.

18 minutes ago, TomPaine said:

- It's a little early, and disingenuous, to include George Floyd on that list.

- Emmet Till wasn't killed by the police. He was killed by civilians.

- Tamir Rice was carrying a replica gun and police responded to a person pointing a gun at passersby.

- Sandra Bland committed suicide by hanging while in her jail cell.

- Tanisha Anderson had mental illness and was fighting with officers.

- The cop who shot Atatiana Jefferson has been arrested and is awaiting trial.

- The Obama DOJ investigated the Michael Brown shooting and determined that the officer was justified in his actions. Please don't include him on this list.

Philando Castille, Ezell Ford, Stephon Clark were shot unnecessarily and charges should have been filed.

Please don't exaggerate to make your point, the truth is bad enough without having people like you post fake things to get people on your side.

I will agree that unchecked police power is bad. A simple Google search will show thousands of videos of police abusing their power against people of all races. It's not OK. The real problem, that I hope we can all agree on, is that policing needs to be reformed. They have too much power and abuse it on a regular basis against citizens of all races.

All truth but people want a narrative and they got it. Uneducated masses, while effective at times, are dangerous.

There are multiple instances of cops killing every race for literally no reason and walking away free. It's a police brutality issues, not a race issue.

2 minutes ago, Numenor said:

All truth but people want a narrative and they got it. Uneducated masses, while effective at times, are dangerous.

There are multiple instances of cops killing every race for literally no reason and walking away free. It's a police brutality issues, not a race issue.

"There are multiple instances of cops killing every race for literally no reason and walking away free. It's a police brutality issues, not a race issue." = 100% accurate.

Check out this facebook group...literally hundreds of videos of police abusing people of all races in every state. It's a power issue, not a race issue.

https://www.facebook.com/PoliceThePolice3.0/

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3 hours ago, Numenor said:

According to who? You don't speak for me.

Clearly, I didn't presume to speak for you...I asked if you remembered that already established precedent.

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There's a reason that some want to make this exclusively a brutality issue and minimize the racist element. We're good at ignoring evidence of racism, as a society, that's plainly obvious.

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On 5/28/2020 at 7:15 PM, TomPaine said:

Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen.

I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered.

That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides.

If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.

MLK did preach nonviolence (he was also very critical of capitalism and the failings of our system but I don’t see you quoting anything on how capitalism is inherently unjust here) and he was assassinated for it. Protest is never considered acceptable be the system being protested and I refuse to separate the current uprising in to “good” and “bad” protesters: people are angry, people have been angry for a long time, and they have a right to be.

As far as how the American system works, well, looting and rioting and violence are as American as the Boston Tea Party and every war or “intervention” we’ve ever been involved in. After MLK was murdered there were riots until the Civil Rights Act was passed. We celebrate Pride Month on the anniversary of the Stonewall riots. People flipped their *** about Kaepernick’s taking a knee because it wasn’t the “right way to protest” and now are more concerned about the actions of the protesters than they are of the police response to them.

Have you seen the footage of law enforcement firing at people on their own porches? Which part of innocent until proven guilty does widespread abuse of force fall under?

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On 5/30/2020 at 5:45 PM, herring_RN said:

I don't believe I have ever met a racist nurse.

Oh I definitely have. It’s been my biggest disappointment in nursing as a profession.

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On 5/31/2020 at 9:00 AM, adventure_rn said:

The problem is that in the chaos of the protests, peaceful protestors who make up the vast majority are being harmed as collateral damage. If a handful of really rowdy, violent people threaten the cops or get in their faces, then everybody gets pepper-sprayed. In the moment, there's no real way to separate them.

How many protests have you been to, because I’ve been to MANY over the years and it’s never unclear if it’s peaceful protesters being pepper sprayed, clubbed, kicked, beat or not.

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