Remember when MLK jr said, "To further the cause of social justice go down the street and rob and loot your neighbors." Me neither, because it didn't happen.
I fully sympathize with the situation in Minneapolis and the death of George Floyd. I believe in due process, but after seeing the video I was sickened by the police officer's actions. He did not need to have his knee of the neck of a man who was handcuffed and held down by two other officers. His excessive force caused the death of Floyd. He was fired and he will be arrested and charged. There will be a court case and evidence will be presented and a verdict delivered.
That's how our system works. It does not work by robbing your neighbors and destroying their livelihoods. There is no cause that is furthered by the looter's actions. There is no traction gained. Their actions haven't changed policy and ensured that justice was done. It was simply a group of people who took the opportunity to steal and destroy for personal gain. The looters are selfish because they took some of the spotlight away from George Floyd and now the nation sees another example people run amok without furthering their agenda or making any positive strides.
If the looters actually cared about Floyd or the social cause they speak of they would take civil action. It worked in the past and it would work again. The Montgomery bus boycott changed policy. But it wasn't easy, it was certainly harder than breaking glass and stealing a tv. And therein lies the problem. It's easy to riot, it's easy to steal and claim "XYZ caused me to loot." It's hard to organize like-minded people and bring about change. It takes time, grit and determination. Think how much better things would be if the thousands of people who looted and rioted got together and voted for change. They could elect someone who could enact policies to prevent something like this from happening again. That's how our system works, not by destroying your own neighborhood.
No math directly supports my claim if you bothered to read the FBI data I listed. So there is 2-3% (roughly BM age 18-60) of the population committing near 50% of the violent crime. Yeah, of course there are going to be disproportionate deaths 2/2 police. This directly correlates with the amount of white violent crime and associated deaths as well. +/- a few percentage points.
I am not going to debate feelings or emotions or fall into other logical fallacies.
“Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.” Aristotle
“Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.” Aristotle
Ah hah I was waiting for this excuse to rear its head, now in the form of a vague quote with no commentary. Excuse the egregious criminal acts but ignore the internal problems within a community, makes sense. This thinking will keep the black community down for another 100 years.
Socioeconomic status is 0 excuse for violent crime (which includes RAPE) in a modern society.
LOL WOW!! this lines up with exactly the FBI.gov crime stats shows year after year. Actually if we take a look at the statistics listed it shows the vast majority were still white and should expect to see higher number among blacks if we matched it to the actual FBI stats for violent crimes.
Helps to read the article and compare to readily available govt listed sources.
“The current study found that, consistent with prior research, black victims were substantially over-represented relative to the U.S. population, comprising 34% of victims but only 13% of Americans ... Black victims were also more likely to be unarmed than whites or Hispanics, and less likely than whites to have evidence suggesting an immediate threat to LE.”
Since you didn’t read anything I posted, LE = law enforcement.
I’m not even certain you know what you’re arguing. Police = bad?
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When my nearly 50 year old son was in high school band I would drop him off at the school for home games, return home to study, return to the school to enjoy the half time, the go home again, and finally pick him when he called after the game was over. (I was an LVN working 11-7 & attending an RN program in the day)
One evening I was almost home when police lights came on and I pulled over. I kept my hands on the wheel.
The officer said, "Do you have a drivers license?"
I said, "It is in my purse. May I get it?
He said, "Roll down the window and open the door."
As I rolled the window down he opened the door yelling, "GET OUT OF THE CAR!" He then grabbed my arm and pulled it hard yelling, "I TOLD YOU TO GET OUT OF THE CAR!"
I answered in the loudest calm voice I could, "Please let me undo my seat belt."
He yelled, "LISTEN SISTER. I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOUR LIP. GET OUT!" and pulled my out. Somehow I didn't fall. I opened my wallet and handed it to him open so my drivers and nurses licenses showed.
He said, "Are you a nurse?"
Me: "Yes. I work at ***** hospital."
He said, "I followed you all the way from the school I thought you were a high school kid who may have been drinking or smoking weed." He handed me my wallet and said, "You are free to go."
The next day my arm had purple marks from his fingers. He didn't apologize.
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10 minutes ago, pixierose said:
“The current study found that, consistent with prior research, black victims were substantially over-represented relative to the U.S. population, comprising 34% of victims but only 13% of Americans ... Black victims were also more likely to be unarmed than whites or Hispanics, and less likely than whites to have evidence suggesting an immediate threat to LE.”
Since you didn’t read anything I posted, LE = law enforcement.
I’m not even certain you know what you’re arguing. Police = bad?
THANK YOU! I remember that study in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine Volume 51, Issue 5, Supplement 3, November 2016, Pages S173-S187
Deaths Due to Use of Lethal Force by Law Enforcement Findings From the National Violent Death Reporting System, 17 U.S. States, 2009–2012
... All fatalities (N=812) resulting from use of lethal force by on-duty LE from 2009 to 2012 in 17 U.S. states were examined using National Violent Death Reporting System data. Case narratives were coded for additional incident circumstances.
Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims....
Ah hah I was waiting for this excuse to rear its head, now in the form of a vague quote with no commentary. Excuse the egregious criminal acts but ignore the internal problems within a community, makes sense. This thinking will keep the black community down for another 100 years.
Socioeconomic status is 0 excuse for violent crime (which includes RAPE) in a modern society.
Not excusing the criminal acts. Criminals should be punished accordingly However, blowing off socioeconomic status including the opportunity for gainful & adequate employment does nothing to stem the problem.
Where did you get the “ignore the internal problems within a community” snark? Who and/or what is that aimed at?
Of course Trump wants people to talk and worry about antifa when the real problem we are trying to address is the white supremacy and racist attitudes which persist in our police departments across the country. Trump definitely wants to talk about antifa and not that racism problem.
Minnesota is a deeply blue state (the last time the state voted red in a presidential election was 1972) and Minneapolis is a deep blue city, the last Republican mayor of Minneapolis was in 1973. The police chief is appointed by the mayor and the Minneapolis city council (see attached image) has exactly zero Republicans. Minneapolis is a Democrat-controlled city in a Democratic state. So if democrats control the state with the governor, the city of Minneapolis & St.Paul with the mayors, the police chiefs and the city councils why hasn't this problem been solved. Maybe the white supremacists are those in the Democratic party?? MN should be the perfect place to fix racism since it is and has been a left wing liberal state for a long time. So explain to me why these liberals, who have been in power for decades, haven't solved this issue? And why should people of color continue to vote for these liberals when they've had decades to fix the issues but clearly haven't?!
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According to who? You don't speak for me.