Personally, I am an RN. I work in a rural emergency department with one LPN who could run circles around many RN's... I also work with another who does the minimum in her scope, and prefers to work that way. One thing both of them seem to have in common though, is they will approach me about the "why" behind things. Also, there are some things I feel they may not understand about IV push medications, but I could be wrong.
I know the likelihood of this ever happening is slim, but I've seen many LPN's behind this idea. I've not seen any RN's in support though. Please keep this discussion friendly and professional!
I obtained my LPN prior to completing the ADN program. While there are some great LPNs out there, the education in a practical nursing program is just not equivalent. LPNs are very task oriented, and the education grazes the surface. I wouldn't say the program is easy, it's just a different focus. The ADN program goes much more in depth and I saw that first-hand.
No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule.
Quite the assumptions you're making! For someone who seems very angry at the thought of assumptions being made about their job performance, you seem awfully judgmental regarding RNs in practice. Don't let your ego blind you from the truth. MOST LPNs and RNs I know busted their butts to get through school. Most parents and spouses who are "funding" this theoretical education aren't doing that at all. I am in tons of debt for my BSN, but have earned it wholeheartedly.
Never think for a second that 1 extra year of being a psychotic bookworms translates into you being more intelligent than a good LPN.
IT ISN'T ABOUT INTELLIGENCE. EDUCATION DOES NOT EQUATE INTELLIGENCE! It's about knowing what an RN's scope of practice is, how if differs from LPNs and other staff. NOT ABOUT INTELLIGENCE. Girl... bye.
So never let that RN title get to your head. Some of us could challenge that exam and meet or excel most of the RNs who like to carve out their ego driven territory and vehemently protest and harass anyone who can cross it.
You have some serious issues with RNs, truly unfortunate you've driven down what it means to be a Nurse from some crappy experiences.
Does the National Board of Nursing even exist? I've never heard of them. They don't have a website. There is a National Council of State Boards of Nursing. Maybe when you start a petition you should at least know whom it is you're petitioning.
This whole thing is hard to take seriously. Did some bored troll start this up to make life interesting? Otherwise, I'm going to petition to be an NP. I've been a nurse over 30 years. What could go wrong?
They are also petitioning the president, congress and senate. Last time I checked, they had nothing to do with licensing nurses, each state BON has jurisdiction.
"Jacquelyn Holloway needs your help with "National Board of Nursing : Allow LPNs to challenge the Board of Nursing to obtain RN licensure". "
According to her Facebook profile, she graduated in June 2015.
"Experienced LPN's should be able to challenge the Board of Nursing to sit for the NCLEX-RN and if able to pass, should be granted an RN license or at least be able to test out of the bridge program courses"
I hardly think 2 1/2 yrs of LPN experience is equivilant to an RN education.
I am one of those ones who could run circles around most RNs. The last hospital setting I worked at, I did a better job than they did without all the complaining that they loved to bask in. Miserable at home or whatever. they created a misery in crowd, and if you stayed positive and away from them, then they decide they hate you and team up against you. They realized this and openly created a hostile work environment for me. I say, yes, make that RN NCLEX challenging and I will take it and pass on the first try. No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule. Never think for a second that 1 extra year of being a psychotic bookworms translates into you being more intelligent than a good LPN. For that matter, I have a total of 10 years of college under my belt, my first Masters degree in secondary education didn't pan out, I got an associates degree in a different field that I found repetitive and boring, so by the time I waited to get into the LPN program, I was burned out with school, writing dazzling research papers, etc and had no desire as i grew older to work FT and go to school. So never let that RN title get to your head. Some of us could challenge that exam and meet or excel most of the RNs who like to carve out their ego driven territory and vehemently protest and harass anyone who can cross it.
To this poster I'd like to let the truth be told. After reading this and your other posts I find it hard to believe that it's your positive attitude that's making you a target.
Never having practiced in another state, in Florida, there is such a thing as a Bridge LPN to RN. My ADN program (this was in 2003, also known as the Bronze age, ha ha) started in Summer with the Pharmacology and Nutrition, Fall semester was Fundamentals of Nursing. In January when nursing Process I began we had a couple of LPNs who had several years of practice under their belt join us and spend the next 4 semesters with us and go on to graduate with their ADN, then test for their NCLEX-RN.
Basically a slightly abbreviated RN course, skipping the basics that an LPN should know anyhow BUT still needing to take the RN courses and clinical time required for an RN. That I think is an acceptable route. Skipping all of it in favor of on the job training via LPN work? Oh **** no.
They are also petitioning the president, congress and senate. Last time I checked, they had nothing to do with licensing nurses, each state BON has jurisdiction.
Ahhhhhh.....now it all makes sense. Like-minded individuals. (I would go all-in with this, but I'll leave it at that).
Wow, serious troll food. I can't believe I'm going to bite. Plenty of RNs worked their butts off to get there. Please don't act like everyone who has an RN degree just had rich mommies and daddies to pay for it. I can tell you I put myself through school with kids in tow. It was HARD work and until you actually go through the RN portion of a program you don't know what you don't know. Not everything can be learned through hands on experience. Somethings do require opening a book or listening to a lecture. I don't honestly care if a nurse can "run circles" around another nurse. It's not all about tasks! It's also about knowing and thinking. I have one nurse I work with that is SLOWER than molasses, but I guarantee you if I had a PE or a impending complication she is the one I'd want to take care of me. She has excellent assessment skills and critical thinking.
This!!! CNAs are task oriented because we nurses, LPNs and RNs alike, delegate tasks. Many LPNs become task oriented too. Notice I did not say ALL as PP implied about RNs. When you work in a LTC environment, let's say, it's easy to start to become task oriented when its all about passing meds in a timely manner. Much of my work is happening in my brain. You do not see it, so you think I'm doing nothing. Good for those who can pass meds to 50 patients in an hour. But give ME the nurse who is going to pick up signs and symptoms of something going wrong.
Example: I walk on shift to a patient with a BP of 146/92. RR 20 HR: 92. SpO2 94%
Stable right? Until you see the patient's baseline is BP under 120/80, RR 14, HR: 64. SpO2 100%. You notice the pt is more anxious than usual. Becoming diaphoretic, and you see the pt is 5 days post op fractured femur. Alarm bells start to sound for me. DING DING DING! Pt is at risk for DVT and PE. Previous nurse missed these early signs because she didn't look at the whole picture. (Based off true story of my 1st day working as a nurse.) While I'm paging the doctor and implementing interventions, LPNs are "running circles around me" passing their meds.
Look, I learned from LPNs. I started in a nursing home. I have a lot of respect for them. But we all need to learn to be humble and respect each other's scope of practice.
Best summed up by, "You don't know what you don't know." My 2nd year of schooling, the 1st semester, we lost half of our class because they did not pass critical care nursing. That class was HUGE to becoming an RN and having it all "click." LPNs do not have that education. Maybe an elementary version, but not as in depth to pathology as RNs get.
I am one of those ones who could run circles around most RNs. The last hospital setting I worked at, I did a better job than they did without all the complaining that they loved to bask in. Miserable at home or whatever. they created a misery in crowd, and if you stayed positive and away from them, then they decide they hate you and team up against you. They realized this and openly created a hostile work environment for me. I say, yes, make that RN NCLEX challenging and I will take it and pass on the first try. No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule. Never think for a second that 1 extra year of being a psychotic bookworms translates into you being more intelligent than a good LPN. For that matter, I have a total of 10 years of college under my belt, my first Masters degree in secondary education didn't pan out, I got an associates degree in a different field that I found repetitive and boring, so by the time I waited to get into the LPN program, I was burned out with school, writing dazzling research papers, etc and had no desire as i grew older to work FT and go to school. So never let that RN title get to your head. Some of us could challenge that exam and meet or excel most of the RNs who like to carve out their ego driven territory and vehemently protest and harass anyone who can cross it.
Lol, thanks for the laugh this morning. I needed one.
Specializes in Psych, Corrections, Med-Surg, Ambulatory.
I am one of those ones who could run circles around most RNs. The last hospital setting I worked at, I did a better job than they did without all the complaining that they loved to bask in. Miserable at home or whatever. they created a misery in crowd, and if you stayed positive and away from them, then they decide they hate you and team up against you. They realized this and openly created a hostile work environment for me. I say, yes, make that RN NCLEX challenging and I will take it and pass on the first try. No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule. Never think for a second that 1 extra year of being a psychotic bookworms translates into you being more intelligent than a good LPN. For that matter, I have a total of 10 years of college under my belt, my first Masters degree in secondary education didn't pan out, I got an associates degree in a different field that I found repetitive and boring, so by the time I waited to get into the LPN program, I was burned out with school, writing dazzling research papers, etc and had no desire as i grew older to work FT and go to school. So never let that RN title get to your head. Some of us could challenge that exam and meet or excel most of the RNs who like to carve out their ego driven territory and vehemently protest and harass anyone who can cross it.
Masters degree in secondary education? And it didn't cover the use of paragraphs and run-on sentences? No wonder you have such a low opinion of formal education. Now I do, too.
No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule.
For that matter, I have a total of 10 years of college under my belt, my first Masters degree in secondary education didn't pan out, I got an associates degree in a different field that I found repetitive and boring, so by the time I waited to get into the LPN program, I was burned out with school, writing dazzling research papers, etc and had no desire as i grew older to work FT and go to school.
Okay, I am dying to know... Did you have a wealthy wife who supported you while you got that Master's degree or were you doomed to an anemic existence, surviving on a diet consisting of cheese & lint sandwiches?
I am one of those ones who could run circles around most RNs. The last hospital setting I worked at, I did a better job than they did without all the complaining that they loved to bask in. Miserable at home or whatever. they created a misery in crowd, and if you stayed positive and away from them, then they decide they hate you and team up against you. They realized this and openly created a hostile work environment for me. I say, yes, make that RN NCLEX challenging and I will take it and pass on the first try. No doubt the RNs who had the money from parents or wealthy spouses to afford to go through 2 years of school instead of 1 year are hostile to this idea and their egos will be assailed at the notion. Others will make up stories about how they donated blood to pay their way through RN school, or starved or lived off of cheese sandwiches for 2 years or ate lint off the carpet to get through RN school, but even when true, they are the exception, not the rule. Never think for a second that 1 extra year of being a psychotic bookworms translates into you being more intelligent than a good LPN. For that matter, I have a total of 10 years of college under my belt, my first Masters degree in secondary education didn't pan out, I got an associates degree in a different field that I found repetitive and boring, so by the time I waited to get into the LPN program, I was burned out with school, writing dazzling research papers, etc and had no desire as i grew older to work FT and go to school. So never let that RN title get to your head. Some of us could challenge that exam and meet or excel most of the RNs who like to carve out their ego driven territory and vehemently protest and harass anyone who can cross it.
Is it hard to walk with that big of a chip on your shoulder?
Kristin07, MSN, RN, NP
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I obtained my LPN prior to completing the ADN program. While there are some great LPNs out there, the education in a practical nursing program is just not equivalent. LPNs are very task oriented, and the education grazes the surface. I wouldn't say the program is easy, it's just a different focus. The ADN program goes much more in depth and I saw that first-hand.