Pushed by quacks, use of Ivermectin is poisoning people

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Good grief. America's Frontline Doctors, a group of quacks who claim to know more than actual experts are pushing the use of ineffective parasite med to prevent and or treat COVID. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/ivermectin-demand-drives-trump-telemedicine-website-rcna1791

On a personal note, my hubby works for a farm store and has overheard customers explaining to each other how to dose animal wormer for people. This is in a community that is anti-mask, anti-vaccine, let's just all get infected. Up until, you know, they need hospitalization . 

53 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

1. No that's not what I'm saying.

2. If it proves effective they'd have to explain why it was presented as ineffective, not recommended, and not researched earlier when physicians were reporting its effectiveness, like the young lady in the video I shared with you.  When I say explain, I don't necessarily mean it's their fault.  People would be curious how we developed a vaccine so quickly but overlooked a readily available form of treatment.  

I can appreciate the argument there aren't conclusive studies to support or deny its effectiveness.  The challenge I see is too much effort to deny it rather than be receptive to whether or not it may work.  The human dose that is not the feed store stuff.

Dude, I walk into your class to teach you how to deal with a code and I am dressed in torn up, tatty, filthy jeans and I reek of weed, with dirty, filthy, unkempt hair, dirty hands etc etc. 

Do you trust me to instruct you well? Credible people dress, behave and comport credibly! 

Now let's take a look at antivaxxers or Ivermectin conspiracists? 

9 minutes ago, GordonGekko said:

99%+ chance they are recovered from their china virus.  Morgue stats aren't that bad, still more heart disease patients in there.

Thank you! Now, how easy was that for me, for you to demonstrate your true colors? 

China virus, indeed? 

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2 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:

Thank you! Now, how easy was that for me, for you to demonstrate your true colors? 

China virus, indeed? 

The virus came from China......

Just now, GordonGekko said:

The virus came from China......

Of course it did.....? 

And apportioning blame achieves exactly what? 

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2 hours ago, Curious1997 said:

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America's the last placed country re vaccination from Covid among all of the industrialized, wealthy countries, I think! 

Source?

1 hour ago, subee said:

Leave?  They shouldn't even be allowed IN except to the unvaccinated tent in the parking lot:)  

Really?  Who else do you think we shouldn't treat?

3 hours ago, macawake said:

I don’t think that anyone has suggested that there are tens of thousands who overdose on Ivermectin every month, so it doesn’t really surprise me that someone in one single hospital hasn’t encountered one of these cases.

Well, they have flat out said that GSW patients were having a hard time getting care because there was no room in the inn due to all the ivermectin ODs.

And now that that story is debunked there seems to be a media effort related to making it look ridiculously asinine and over-the-top to care that it was published in the first place. After all, it was only one article based on statements by one doctor in one state and blah, blah, blah.

I know I have some differences from some of you here in that I just don't have a much tolerance for this. I think it *is* significant that a fairly reasonable publication like Rolling Stone was so willing to run with the story without the most utterly basic fact-checking when the media have supposedly been trying to be more conscientious about fact-checking than ever before, and their story was picked up by social media and MSM as they knew it would be. I consider it a symptom of the whole/larger problem. We're all rightfully upset that some people are believing whatever they want to believe; whatever fits their narrative with regard to immunization. But in my book it's not wrong when they do it but okay when we do it. There are a lot more people believing what they want to believe than just anti-vaxxers about various topics.

I do live in an area that could be ripe for horse paste abuse (allegedly), but it hasn't happened in this community (yet). I have no doubt it has happened in various places. Apparently* there were 459 calls to US poison control centers related to ivermectin use in the month of August 2021. So approximately 1.38 x10 ^-6 of the US population had concerns about ivermectin effects that month and Rolling Stone wanted in on the fun of whipping that up.

I've tried to pipe down for a few weeks but haven't changed my mind. If it eliminates me from the cool kids club so be it.

*According to Rolling Stone.

ETA: Will include CDC emergency bulletin r/t increase in ivermectin prescriptions and the danger therein.

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6 hours ago, subee said:

She looks so much like a Republican Barbie Doll, I doubt that she is involved with abortifacients.  

Talk about a judgement post. 

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3 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

There's that undercurrent of suspicion and distrust of the medical experts.  Well done!

You have offered up imagined future proofs that will highlight the harms of caution and followed that with fear that all of the evidence will be swept under some big rug.  Boiler plate conspiracy theory stuff right there. 

What do you think is going to happen when our so called leaders make rules for us but not them. If Biden truly believes that everyone needs to be vaccinated then why does his executive order exempt Congress and their employees, USPS, public assistance recipients, illegal aliens, companies under 100 employees. 
When they say do as your told, not what I or my donors do people are not going to believe them. Follow the money how many billions will be made by booster shots alone. 

3 hours ago, macawake said:

If it doesn’t happen in your ER that sees a whole 2.06 x 10^-5 of the country’s population every month, then it can’t be happening at all, can it? 

Do you normally just look in your own limited ”bubble” and generalize what goes on there to be true for what is a rather populous nation? It seems that you think that your personal experiences are sufficient grounds for you to speculate that something is ”mythical”. To me, that’s not a very logical or scientific approach. 

I don’t think that anyone has suggested that there are tens of thousands who overdose on Ivermectin every month, so it doesn’t really surprise me that someone in one single hospital hasn’t encountered one of these cases. I think overdoses happen, but I doubt we’re talking huge numbers.

 

You speculate a lot. A lot.

You can’t say ”one way or another”, but felt it was important for you to share your unproven fears with the rest of the world? Classic you.

Are they fears or does he look more then just what is being force feed to him?

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2 hours ago, macawake said:

I don’t think it will be that hard to explain. It’s being ”presented” as not being effective simply because there are currently no good quality, randomized, double-blind trials that show that it is effective in treating a Covid infection. If that were to change, then they can say that it’s effective.

That ”young lady” doesn’t know that it is effective. She’s as far as I can tell not conducting a trial, has no control group and has no clue whether those of her patients who recover from their infection, would have recovered just the same without the Ivermectin she prescribed. 

And the vaccine has not had long term double blind studies either but it’s being pushed as effective. 

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36 minutes ago, Jeckrn1 said:

And the vaccine has not had long term double blind studies either but it’s being pushed as effective. 

Baloney.  

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