Good grief. America's Frontline Doctors, a group of quacks who claim to know more than actual experts are pushing the use of ineffective parasite med to prevent and or treat COVID.
On a personal note, my hubby works for a farm store and has overheard customers explaining to each other how to dose animal wormer for people. This is in a community that is anti-mask, anti-vaccine, let's just all get infected. Up until, you know, they need hospitalization .
Just because their name is literally Front Line Covid Critical Care Alliance doesn’t make it so. Doesn’t it make you just a little suspicious that one of the first items on their main page is a request for $$?
I don't know anything about this FLCCC group, but am going to investigate before I pass judgment. You can't use asking for donations on their main page as proof that they're not legit. St Jude Children's Hospital does (in fact many legit charities and non profits do). In fact that is their total home page, and we all know that they are as legit as they come. Many groups ask for funding from private donors, some are crooks, some aren't. Now, on to check these guys out, whether or not I believe in much of what I read that they are touting.
The FLCCC is a group of front line critical care doctors saving lives when there was no treatment. They collaborated and shared what help save people's lives based on their training, knowledge and experience. I find it sad they you are so disrespectful toward them. They are most definitely not quacks!
Of the two examples of published evidence to support their claims that I'm aware of, both were denied publication because of fabricated or unsupported evidence, and using references and supporting studies that had been discredited.
This is is also the group that gave the invermectin prescription that launched a lawsuit, this involved a patient who was a couple months out from their Covid infection and was now in post-covid syndrome (primarily ARDS due to an aspiration pneumonia). So even we assume invermectin is effective against the Covid virus there is no reason to believe it would be effective, yet despite this the Physician prescribed it, if it quacks like a duck....
Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.
12 hours ago, subee said:
If they can't be reproduced by other researchers, then yes, they can't be validated. I remember when chelation was all the rage. If it worked, we'd still be doing it. Same for Vitamin C. Since you didn't post any studies, this is just a story from the eyes a beginning nursing student.
FYI that was 10 years ago.
didn't post any studies because to the best of my knowledge there are none.
It was merely to illustrate the point that just because someone may have good results from a treatment unless it can be verfied in randomised studies, it really doesnt mean a thing.
Even though there are studies about ivermectin, the statistical results don't support a strong correlation between patients taking ivermectin and curing covid. Problem is people don't know how to read studies. All they see is "ivermectin reduced symptoms in covid patients".
Good grief. America's Frontline Doctors, a group of quacks who claim to know more than actual experts are pushing the use of ineffective parasite med to prevent and or treat COVID.
On a personal note, my hubby works for a farm store and has overheard customers explaining to each other how to dose animal wormer for people. This is in a community that is anti-mask, anti-vaccine, let's just all get infected. Up until, you know, they need hospitalization .
In preparing an argument regarding the use of Ivermectin what research did you do to find facts supporting its use and against? After comparing that research, what brought you to the conclusion that the prescribing providers are quacks?
In preparing an argument regarding the use of Ivermectin what research did you do to find facts supporting its use and against? After comparing that research, what brought you to the conclusion that the prescribing providers are quacks?
Please share what you learned.
Why? So you can tell me that my arguments are invalid and I’m a bully?
No thanks.
And next you will point out your superior powers of reasoning.
Amirite?
I invite others to check them out and make their own decisions about their validity. For me I do respect them and am thankful these doctors were and are working together collaboratively to save lives. They were doing it before vaccines were available, not wringing their hands helpless waiting for a possible vaccine. Now all of sudden because we have a vaccine they have no validity? Seriously, I'm surprised you are so close minded. What treatment protocol in particular do you object to?
You do realize that this is a monetized group of docs selling prescriptions for Ivermectin at $90 per RX? They are a business and a very sleazy one at that.
didn't post any studies because to the best of my knowledge there are none.
It was merely to illustrate the point that just because someone may have good results from a treatment unless it can be verfied in randomised studies, it really doesnt mean a thing.
Even though there are studies about ivermectin, the statistical results don't support a strong correlation between patients taking ivermectin and curing covid. Problem is people don't know how to read studies. All they see is "ivermectin reduced symptoms in covid patients".
I feel that that the article that I linked speaks for itself.
Feel free to beat me up over that.
Nursej22:
Anytime you see a post of mine that reads with an agressive tone, it's only and always in response to someone being disrespectful. I've shared unpopular perspectives. People respond with things like
"You're obtuse"
"I don't believe you're a nurse"
"You're an idiot"
I can go on. I never start anything, and I am not looking to "beat you up". I've heard Ivermectin is controversial as a treatment. I've heard about people self medicating. You've likely read up on it more than I have.
I'm curious what data you came across to support its use vs against. That's all.
Ivermectin is controversial as a treatment. I've heard about people self medicating
Without supervision of the experts. If I were to explore, I'd take Combantrin. It is safer than drinking it from the horse medications.???
The compounds found in yoga mats are also in many commercially baked breads. I hope people won't start buying yoga mats for their sandwiches. Never ever mentioned about yoga mat and bread.
Disclaimer: I'm not responsible if you eat your yoga mat. Don't eat it.
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I don't know anything about this FLCCC group, but am going to investigate before I pass judgment. You can't use asking for donations on their main page as proof that they're not legit. St Jude Children's Hospital does (in fact many legit charities and non profits do). In fact that is their total home page, and we all know that they are as legit as they come. Many groups ask for funding from private donors, some are crooks, some aren't. Now, on to check these guys out, whether or not I believe in much of what I read that they are touting.