President Trump and the First Lady Test COVID Positive

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The News earlier tonight shared that Hope Hicks became ill Wednesday night, and tested today and COVID-19 positive --per President Trump's confirmed tweet tonight. A few hours later, he confirmed the First Lady and he tested positive and are now  in quarantine.

 

I tested positive a couple of months ago for Covid.  I wore surgical masks at work, in public, literally everywhere.  I only went to the store a couple of times a week.  I work a surgical mask from work both places.

My ICU was a Covid ICU in March and April.     I work directly with Covid patients every shift with my N-95.  I never got Covid.

Im not surprised the President tested positive.  He comes in contact with hundreds of people every day.  I don’t believe a fabric mask was going to protect him.

If every American could have an N-95, I think we could tame this virus.  We are medical professionals, we’ve all taken Microbiology, fabric masks don’t work, and surgical masks only help if you have it.  It’s not actually protecting you from the virus.  So me going out in public when I knew I didn’t have the virus, did nothing to protect me from Etsy Debbie and her fashion fabric mask.  
 

Im tired of hearing wear the damn mask and how this is all Trump’s fault and people wishing he would die.  I don’t like the man, but dang, I don’t wish death on anyone.

By the way, I literally had zero respiratory symptoms from Covid.  Headache and fever were the big things for me.  I never once coughed.  I feel very grateful for my mild symptoms.  Nobody in my household ended up with it either, including my husband who I share a bed with.  I isolated from my family immediately.  I kicked my husband out of bed at 2am when my fever started.  
 

 

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46 minutes ago, LovingLife123 said:

Im tired of hearing wear the damn mask and how this is all Trump’s fault and people wishing he would die.  I don’t like the man, but dang, I don’t wish death on anyone.

The only measures the public have now to slow Covid-19 community acquired infection spread are:

  1. 1, Social distancing
  2. 2. Wash your hands  frequently using soap and water/ hand sanitizer along with stopping shaking hands as greeting.
  3. 3. Wearing a multi-layer cloth mask or N95 if available along with face shield or goggles.

CDC: Oct 2020  Emerging Infectious Disease

Effectiveness of cloth masks for protection against severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus

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Cloth masks have been used in healthcare and community settings to protect the wearer from respiratory infections. The use of cloth masks during the coronavirus disease (COVID-19) pandemic is under debate. The filtration effectiveness of cloth masks is generally lower than that of medical masks and respirators; however, cloth masks may provide some protection if well designed and used correctly. Multilayer cloth masks, designed to fit around the face and made of water-resistant fabric with a high number of threads and finer weave, may provide reasonable protection. Until a cloth mask design is proven to be equally effective as a medical or N95 mask, wearing cloth masks should not be mandated for healthcare workers. In community settings, however, cloth masks may be used to prevent community spread of infections by sick or asymptomatically infected persons, and the public should be educated about their correct use.

Video of flying neon spit shows how speaking could spread coronavirus
 

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Overall, droplets between 20 microns across and 200 microns across were created when the scientists spoke (for reference, a single human hair is about 90 microns across). The louder the scientists spoke, the more spit was sent flying.

Meanwhile, when they covered their mouths with a slightly damp towel, the amount of spit released was reduced significantly (you can see the "mask" condition above).

 

COVID-19: How much protection do face masks offer? - Mayo Clinic

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Gabriel Sherman's article in Vanity Fair today adds info regarding decision for hospitalization-- given oxygen at the White House,

“This Is Spiraling Out of Control”: Allies Panic About Trump’s Hospital Stay as White House Deflects

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Sources: Trump had heart palpitations on Friday, a possible negative side effect of Regeneron antibody treatment. His fever reached 103. And a G7 ally wonders if he’ll appoint Ivanka president instead of Pence.

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Three sources said Trump argued with his doctors on Friday after they told him he needed to be moved to Walter Reed. “He didn’t want to go to the hospital a month before the election,” a Republican close to Trump told me. Two sources said doctors gave Trump an ultimatum: he could go to the hospital while he could still walk, or doctors would be forced to take him in a wheelchair or on a stretcher at a later point if his health deteriorated. “They told him, ‘You can go now or we’re taking you later and it’s non negotiable,’” a second source close to the White House said. Trump waited to leave for the hospital until the stock market closed on Friday...

 

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57 minutes ago, LovingLife123 said:

I tested positive a couple of months ago for Covid.  I wore surgical masks at work, in public, literally everywhere.  I only went to the store a couple of times a week.  I work a surgical mask from work both places.

My ICU was a Covid ICU in March and April.     I work directly with Covid patients every shift with my N-95.  I never got Covid.

Im not surprised the President tested positive.  He comes in contact with hundreds of people every day.  I don’t believe a fabric mask was going to protect him.

If every American could have an N-95, I think we could tame this virus.  We are medical professionals, we’ve all taken Microbiology, fabric masks don’t work, and surgical masks only help if you have it.  It’s not actually protecting you from the virus.  So me going out in public when I knew I didn’t have the virus, did nothing to protect me from Etsy Debbie and her fashion fabric mask.  
 

 

Yes, we wear masks to protect others that ? is ? the ? point ? . The more people who wear masks, the more protected I am, the more protected you are, the more protected everyone is. That is the rationale behind them, protecting others from an asymptomatic infectious person (or someone symptomatic who still goes out in public).

That is why people who advocate masks get so irritated at people who refuse to wear them- it is not a measure that protects the individual but the collective and not wearing one has consequences that affect others.

The president wearing a cloth mask wouldn’t have reduced his risk but you can bet that if he did wear them and promote their use (and social distanced and advocated for that as well) that the people around him would wear masks too, not to mention more of the public that follows his lead. Which ultimately would have reduced his risk. 

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Another WH staffer Covid +, acts as president's body man

Nicholas Luna, deputy assistant and personal aide to President Donald Trump

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7 hours ago, londonflo said:

I am sorry Jedrnurse for a poor presentation of my thoughts and intent. Yes I in no way was suggesting you needed any remediation. Rather I liked  the way you stated the 'testing bubble' some elite are lucky to be a part of. But as we found out yesterday there is no guarantee of protection, just some strategies to minimize direct virus transfer that you have to comply with. Apologies again.

Thank you. 

Recently, work has been "The COVID Show" and there's been a lot of policy/procedure work, DPH and Board of ED communicating and staff hand holding. Probably makes one a wee bit sensitive...?

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I think some people are forgetting the purpose behind the general public wearing masks. It isn't to protect yourself as much as it is to protect others.

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7 hours ago, LovingLife123 said:

Im not surprised the President tested positive.  He comes in contact with hundreds of people every day.  I don’t believe a fabric mask was going to protect him.

 

Im tired of hearing wear the damn mask and how this is all Trump’s fault and people wishing he would die.  I don’t like the man, but dang, I don’t wish death on anyone.

I personally don’t think that mask wearing is the Covid panacea. Social distancing, good hand hygiene and isolating when symptomatic, including mildly symptomatic, is at least as important.

Sure, being President means that it’s in all likelihood hard to conduct your daily business fully isolated. But that doesn’t mean that you have to keep on living as usual and pretending like there isn’t a pandemic going on.

When I watched that Rose Garden event all I could do was shake my head. Why did attendees have to sit shoulder-to-shoulder and the row behind within spitting distance? Why did they have to shake hands and even hug? Standing on the lawn, huddled in groups, like we did at the carefree cocktail parties of yesteryears? To me that’s sheer stupidity considering the current situation. To me it seems that they collectively failed to take even the most basic precautions. I don’t know if they did it for political reasons, trying to signal that the pandemic is all but over, or if they really are just clueless about basic mitigation strategies? The latter somewhat strains credulity though. 

I haven’t seen anyone on this forum wishing him dead? I know I do not wish death upon him. I don’t wish death upon any human being. But if I’m being honest, I feel indifference more than anything, to his fate. I’m sorry if that hurts anyone here, but that’s how I feel. 

People who live their lives trying to be good, who treat others with kindness and generosity, who will offer words of comfort to someone in pain or mourning, are the people I admire. They are also the people that leave me with a sense of loss when they pass away. The ones who make a positive impact on other peoples’ lives are the ones that I will miss and remember. 
 

 

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8 hours ago, HiddencatBSN said:

Yes, we wear masks to protect others that ? is ? the ? point ? . The more people who wear masks, the more protected I am, the more protected you are, the more protected everyone is. That is the rationale behind them, protecting others from an asymptomatic infectious person (or someone symptomatic who still goes out in public).

That is why people who advocate masks get so irritated at people who refuse to wear them- it is not a measure that protects the individual but the collective and not wearing one has consequences that affect others.

The president wearing a cloth mask wouldn’t have reduced his risk but you can bet that if he did wear them and promote their use (and social distanced and advocated for that as well) that the people around him would wear masks too, not to mention more of the public that follows his lead. Which ultimately would have reduced his risk. 

My whole point is, if Susie has Covid and goes out in public with her fabric mask, and I’m negative and go out in public wearing a surgical mask, I’m not protected from Susie.  You missed the complete point with your little clap back.

Hand hygiene and social distancing are more important.  A piece of cloth is giving people a false sense of security.  If we worked harder to get everyone an N-95, we’d do better.  Do you see how I’m not anti-mask, just against worthless pieces of cloth?  
 

Bit good job on putting all the clapping in between words there.

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2 hours ago, macawake said:

I personally don’t think that mask wearing is the Covid panacea. Social distancing, good hand hygiene and isolating when symptomatic, including mildly symptomatic, is at least as important.

Sure, being President means that it’s in all likelihood hard to conduct your daily business fully isolated. But that doesn’t mean that you have to keep on living as usual and pretending like there isn’t a pandemic going on.

When I watched that Rose Garden event all I could do was shake my head. Why did attendees have to sit shoulder-to-shoulder and the row behind within spitting distance? Why did they have to shake hands and even hug? Standing on the lawn, huddled in groups, like we did at the carefree cocktail parties of yesteryears? To me that’s sheer stupidity considering the current situation. To me it seems that they collectively failed to take even the most basic precautions. I don’t know if they did it for political reasons, trying to signal that the pandemic is all but over, or if they really are just clueless about basic mitigation strategies? The latter somewhat strains credulity though. 

I haven’t seen anyone on this forum wishing him dead? I know I do not wish death upon him. I don’t wish death upon any human being. But if I’m being honest, I feel indifference more than anything, to his fate. I’m sorry if that hurts anyone here, but that’s how I feel. 

People who live their lives trying to be good, who treat others with kindness and generosity, who will offer words of comfort to someone in pain or mourning, are the people I admire. They are also the people that leave me with a sense of loss when they pass away. The ones who make a positive impact on other peoples’ lives are the ones that I will miss and remember. 
 

 

And I don’t at all disagree with you on that point.  Social distancing should have been practiced and while I didn’t see what you are talking about because frankly, I refuse to watch the news and political crap anymore, proper precautions should have been taken.  
 

I took all proper precautions, I still got it.  I think a patient that we didn’t test had it or a family member had it.  I disagree with allowing visitors back into the hospital and us not testing all patients upon admission.  If all major sports leagues can test their players daily, we can test in the hospital.  I don’t feel I was properly protected.  Several of us came up positive at once.  
 

I also believe this virus is airborne, not just droplet.  I could go down a rabbit hole with all the studies and articles I have read on Covid, but I won’t.  

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1 hour ago, LovingLife123 said:

My whole point is, if Susie has Covid and goes out in public with her fabric mask, and I’m negative and go out in public wearing a surgical mask, I’m not protected from Susie.  You missed the complete point with your little clap back.

Hand hygiene and social distancing are more important.  A piece of cloth is giving people a false sense of security.  If we worked harder to get everyone an N-95, we’d do better.  Do you see how I’m not anti-mask, just against worthless pieces of cloth?  
 

Bit good job on putting all the clapping in between words there.

If Susie with COVID wears a fabric mask your risk is reduced from what it would be if she wore no mask.

How are you planning to ensure the public is wearing the N95s properly with a good seal and the correct size? A poorly fitted N95 isn’t as effective as a properly fitted one, and by your “cloth masks are worthless logic” therefore pointless because apparently risk reduction doesn’t matter on a wider community level despite what epidemiologists have to say about that.

 

Sorry your hospital has *** policies. We test all admits. You getting covid doesn’t mean that the general public wearing face coverings doesn’t have a net benefit. 

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1 hour ago, LovingLife123 said:

My whole point is, if Susie has Covid and goes out in public with her fabric mask, and I’m negative and go out in public wearing a surgical mask, I’m not protected from Susie.  You missed the complete point with your little clap back.

Yeah, that's not how it works, you're the one missing the point. Multiple studies being done and evidence shows that wearing a mask prevents (or at least reduces the risk of) YOU from spreading the virus. So you not wearing a mask in public is basically Typhoid Mary continuing to do what she did.

If you have even a slight sense of history look at the photographs from 1918 Flu pandemic and see all those people wearing masks. They at least had some sense of public responsibilty.

I'll make it easy for you, here's a Google image link 

https://www.Google.co.uk/search?q=1918 pandemic masks&tbm=isch&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB4QtI8BKABqFwoTCNiwq8CGm-wCFQAAAAAdAAAAABAC&biw=1325&bih=735

 

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