President Biden thread

2 hours ago, Tweety said:

China is complicated.  They are the 2nd largest economy, have the largest Navy, were the only country in the world that did not go into recession in 2020, and to complicate it further they are our 3rd largest trading partner in the world and that means hundreds of billions.   To complicate it further 1 trillion of our debt is owed to China.  We can't just "shut the door on China".

I think generations prior when China went more capitalistic and we only saw dollars we not only opened the door but removed it forever.

We have to find a way to influence China and coexist with them and so far with their trillion dollar economy it might be better to keep some sort of relationship with them.

Even if a policy were to shut them out and close the door that would take years.

You always deal from a position of strength. I have no doubt that Biden will put China in its place. China has no friends anywhere. No exaggeration. No friends! 

A simple Pacific Rim agreement with India, Australia, South Korea, Japan and Taiwan to a coalition re the military and have Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand etc contribute financials like a Nato agreement and China is hobbled. 

The large debt works in our favor because all of Europe is in the same boat. Time to negotiate ala Trump's strategy. Pennies on the dollar. It would be a good idea because China is nothing, unless they sell their products. Remember Argentina's debt? Let them sell to third world nations. Covid proved how easy it is to disrupt China with the shut down. Because of alibaba most Chinese entrepreneurs are worried now. You have to strike when the iron is hot. 

I believe China is ripe for civil unrest with the treatment of Muslims and working conditions. Look at how easy it was to make Putin back down. United western countries weild a considerable force. Also I think China is lying about their growth and any number of projections. My beef with China is that they are now exporting colonialism and exploiting in need countries in Africa, Sri Lanka and Pakistan. They are using strong arm tactics Mafia style. They simply won't obey civilized rules or capitalism regulations. They go in Japanese 70-80's style and try to buy their way into every industry and then within that country strong arm any dissent! Think tanks, universities, law firms, huge tracts of land and industries. They only know the bulldozer tactics. 

We have treaties with Australia and Taiwan (although there have been warnings that the US might not be able to deter a takeover of the Island) and we have military in Japan and South Korea and are responsible for their defense, not not sure what another pact would do.

Again the problem with uniting against China to stop them from their control and abuses is complicated by economics and the trade back and forth.  China is a major trading partner of most of the countries in the pacific rim and indeed around the world.  China in looking after it's massive population also doesn't really in the long run want to endanger that after having endured famine in my lifetime.  China was the least disrupted country by covid.  

It's complicated, but I do have issues with China.  I do think that like it or not they can't be isolated.  It's a global economy and China is the 2nd largest.  Yes, the rest of us collectively are stronger, and economically the ties with the rest of the strong economies of Europe, Japan and South Korea are stronger, they are still independent economies with much back and forth with China.   That can't be disrupted without consequence.  For decades we've had to deal with China's human rights abuses vs. our need for cheap goods from them and exports.  The over one billion consumers there and their appetites are just too powerful to pass up on.

12 minutes ago, Tweety said:

We have treaties with Australia and Taiwan (although there have been warnings that the US might not be able to deter a takeover of the Island) and we have military in Japan and South Korea and are responsible for their defense, not not sure what another pact would do.

Again the problem with uniting against China to stop them from their control and abuses is complicated by economics and the trade back and forth.  China is a major trading partner of most of the countries in the pacific rim and indeed around the world.  China in looking after it's massive population also doesn't really in the long run want to endanger that after having endured famine in my lifetime.  China was the least disrupted country by covid.  

It's complicated, but I do have issues with China.  I do think that like it or not they can't be isolated.  It's a global economy and China is the 2nd largest.  Yes, the rest of us collectively are stronger, and economically the ties with the rest of the strong economies of Europe, Japan and South Korea are stronger, they are still independent economies with much back and forth with China.   That can't be disrupted without consequence.  For decades we've had to deal with China's human rights abuses vs. our need for cheap goods from them and exports.  The over one billion consumers there and their appetites are just too powerful to pass up on.

 

 

 

If I go to a restaurant and it's bad, I search elsewhere. 

I know this might seem callous but I am negotiating for three foreclosure properties currently and one bankrupted business from the bank. You have to strike when the iron is hot. I didn't create this pandemic and its effects. China is right for the picking. 

I believe China was affected far more than we have been led to believe from Covid. It's the problem of lies. You can't believe anything coming out of China. The time is right for the West to form alliances. You have to strike when your opponent is weak. China is as dependent on western consumption as much as we are for cheap goods. China plays hardball with numerous businesses who dare to oppose their social and business behaviors. Return the favor. 

There are numerous Asian countries that can fill the void of China's production, but I believe only India has the military and democracy to be stable enough plus that educated huge workforce. Simply making the move will force China to renegotiate. I believe that China is very brittle politically which is why they constantly have to give the appearance of strength. They have held many countries and companies to ransom and I believe that they would welcome the opportunity to remove the yolk of China. 

I simply want China to behave like normal people. Negotiate without threats and stop threatening their neighbors. Those south China seas islands are a deliberate attempt to strong-arm the countries in that region and threatens the balance of the world. It's very Nazi like geopolitically. 

16 hours ago, Tweety said:

China is complicated.  They are the 2nd largest economy, have the largest Navy, were the only country in the world that did not go into recession in 2020, and to complicate it further they are our 3rd largest trading partner in the world and that means hundreds of billions.   To complicate it further 1 trillion of our debt is owed to China.  We can't just "shut the door on China".

I think generations prior when China went more capitalistic and we only saw dollars we not only opened the door but removed it forever.

We have to find a way to influence China and coexist with them and so far with their trillion dollar economy it might be better to keep some sort of relationship with them.

Even if a policy were to shut them out and close the door that would take years.

I don't worry too much about China anymore since my husband spent a month there 2 years ago.  They can build stuff but they can't maintain it.  The drainpipe in his shower wasn't connected to anything and water ran all over the floor.  Light fixtures weren't installed properly.  They are building quick and cheap.  Diabetes is rampant as well as smoking.  Mask wearing required in Beijing during the summers.   Health care will become an increasing burden to the government.  We are successfully killing them with Coke and McDonald's.   A trick we learned so well in America.  Maybe if we slowly back out it would unnerve them.  Of course, now there is still that wicked debt which we will never be able to reply after spending the next generations' wealth after Trump's policies made this pandemic as long , hard and expensive as they possible could.

On 4/25/2021 at 5:31 PM, Beerman said:

I'm dizzy from all that spin...LOL.  the administration hasn't even offered that explanation.   They should hire you.

I'm not having much trouble finding coverage of Trump's 'remain-in-Mexico' policy or the Administration pointing out it is now the ones left to deal with the results of it, which was a backlog of around 70,000 people, largely unaccompanied minors at the border.  Maybe you should consider expanding your sources of news.

On 4/25/2021 at 5:35 PM, Beerman said:

Of course it was a problem.  Jowever, you don't take a tourniquet off a uncontrolled  hemorrhage until you have what you need to repair it.

I don't know that's really an accurate analogy of failing to process unaccompanied minors at the border, who were left to be prime targets for abduction, sex trafficking, etc.  There was no tourniquet on the problem, the guy bleeding out was left to bleed on the sidewalk rather than putting a tourniquet on the problem.

There are certainly aspects of the Biden administration's immigration policy I don't agree with, but I'm not sure what the reasoning for just ignoring that issue would be, if that's what you're really arguing for.

4 hours ago, subee said:

I don't worry too much about China anymore since my husband spent a month there 2 years ago.  They can build stuff but they can't maintain it.  The drainpipe in his shower wasn't connected to anything and water ran all over the floor.  Light fixtures weren't installed properly.  They are building quick and cheap.  Diabetes is rampant as well as smoking.  Mask wearing required in Beijing during the summers.   Health care will become an increasing burden to the government.  We are successfully killing them with Coke and McDonald's.   A trick we learned so well in America.  Maybe if we slowly back out it would unnerve them.  Of course, now there is still that wicked debt which we will never be able to reply after spending the next generations' wealth after Trump's policies made this pandemic as long , hard and expensive as they possible could.

Yeah that they have over a billion more people than us and their economy is still behind the US is testament to some of what you describe.  They don't seem to have the Japanese or Korean need for good quality or seem to care much about the environment.  Their sheer size in population means they really have to stay on their game.   Still they are someone to watch.  

But economically you do have to watch India.  They've risen to the 5th largest economy overtaking France the UK.  

8 hours ago, subee said:

I don't worry too much about China anymore since my husband spent a month there 2 years ago. ...

Perhaps you would share your intel with the Department of Defense as many consider them our most likely near-peer adversary, the Commandant of the Marine Corps in particular.

He either has, or is planning to disband all of their tank units and most, if not all conventional artillery.  In addition, the Marine Corps is undergoing a major evaluation of current infantry training and is further evaluating the formation of a littoral regiment for near the coast operations and an island hopping strategy similar what they did during WW2.

14 hours ago, chare said:

Perhaps you would share your intel with the Department of Defense as many consider them our most likely near-peer adversary, the Commandant of the Marine Corps in particular.

He either has, or is planning to disband all of their tank units and most, if not all conventional artillery.  In addition, the Marine Corps is undergoing a major evaluation of current infantry training and is further evaluating the formation of a littoral regiment for near the coast operations and an island hopping strategy similar what they did during WW2.

I never said that they were benign...never, ever so there is no need to impress me with your arcane knowledge of Marine maneuvers.  Just because they are becoming obese with rising  cancer rates doesn't mean that their government isn't a threat.  Please explain the logic of your thinking.

23 minutes ago, Beerman said:

Be sure to view the video.

"We witnessed firsthand the influx of migrants in the area. Children are being ferried over by human traffickers on rafts in the dead of night. Migrants, many of them teens and younger, are packed together behind metal fences, waiting to be relocated to detention centers. Human traffickers cross back and forth over the border with relative ease. "

https://www.dailywire.com/news/video-the-border-crisis-is-even-worse-than-you-think?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro

yes, We understand that conservatives are very upset by this situation.  It seems that building walls is the best immigration idea they have.  

9 minutes ago, NRSKarenRN said:

re MIGRATION

Center for American Progress   June 2019

Getting Migration in the Americas Right

 

VP Kamala Harris tasked to work on Latin America immigration  and access across Southern US boarder.  Conservative media in an uproar that she hasn't personally visited area.   US Border management is reporting issues to her.   Appears she is focusing her efforts not on the micro level: personal visiting southern border; rather looking at the macro level focusing on dealing with Mexico and Latin America presidents, relief organizations, churches etc to help each countries infrastructure especially environmental/food resources, etc .  This will give citizens a reason to stay in their countries.

Kamala Harris Says Trump 'Pulled Out' of Immigration Progress, U.S. Must 'Rebuild'

Harris: Immigration efforts designed to 'give people some sense of hope'

What did VP Harris actually do in her first 100 days?

 

Biden and Harris aren't playing to the conservative social media culture wars addiction. In addition, conservative media has no interest in reporting truth when they could instead stir up emotionally charged but partisan outrage,  and so most Trump voters have no idea what the real immigration and refugee problems are or what efforts - beyond a wall - might make a difference.  It's sad really.