President Biden thread

Crusades · Jun 26, 2024

toomuchbaloney said:

You'll prove it. You tell us again and again that you accept Trump's unacceptable behavior, finding it more desirable than Biden's policy and age.

Yes. Regardless of Trump's character and/or crimes, heis more competent to run the country.

So a president who "lied about covid" been convicted of a felony, cheated on his wide is better than Biden. Too bad the democrats of his family couldn't resist elder abuse for power.

Beerman, BSN · Jun 26, 2024

nursej22 said:

We need to allow more seasonal workers to come in, and return at season's end. Many agricultural workers do not wish to stay permanently, but don't want to risk multiple border crossings. We need to allow more people to immigrate, especially spouses and children. We need to finally fix DACA and grant citizenship to people brought to the US as children and are now adults and productive members of society. We need more judges to handle asylum cases. And we need more enforcement personnel at the border.

There have been a record number of jobs certified the past few years for H-2A visas temporary agricultural workers, and they don't all get filled. So, what needs to be changed in the law?

DACA...that's worthy of discussion.

We need to bring in immigrants? We already have a system for people to legally immigrate. What specifically needs to be changed?

Asylum judges? Maybe. Although if we limit asylum eligibility to those who claim it at legal ports of entry and not everyone who crosses elsewhere, maybe not.

More resources at the border. Great idea. The Republican bill passed last year addresses that.

Anyway, whatever laws there are, they aren't very effective if we don't have a disincentive to cross illegally. Right now, under this administration there is no disincentive.

nursej22, MSN, RN · Jun 26, 2024

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There have been a record number of jobs certified the past few years for H-2A visas temporary agricultural workers, and they don't all get filled. So, what needs to be changed in the law?

Disincentivise the hiring of undocumented workers.

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We need to bring in immigrants? We already have a system for people to legally immigrate. What specifically needs to be changed?

We need to speed up the process. I've spoken to green card holders that have spouses that have waited 10 years to immigrate. There are jobs to fill, and us boomers just keep on retiring.

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Asylum judges? Maybe. Although if we limit asylum eligibility to those who claim it at legal ports of entry and not everyone who crosses elsewhere, maybe not.

I'm talking about judges to catch up on the backlog of people requesting asylum. The average wait time for a hearing is 4-6 years.

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More resources at the border. Great idea. The Republican bill passed last year addresses that.

Yes, you keep saying that. And, more recently, a bipartisan bill, that the president was willing to sign, proposed more resources. And I think we all know why that bill never came to a vote, don't we?

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Anyway, whatever laws there are, they aren't very effective if we don't have a disincentive to cross illegally. Right now, under this administration there is no disincentive.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/06/26/border-crossings-drop-biden-closures/

Crusades · Jun 26, 2024

nursej22 said:

Disincentivise the hiring of undocumented workers.

We need to speed up the process. I've spoken to green card holders that have spouses that have waited 10 years to immigrate. There are jobs to fill, and us boomers just keep on retiring.

I'm talking about judges to catch up on the backlog of people requesting asylum. The average wait time for a hearing is 4-6 years.

Yes, you keep saying that. And, more recently, a bipartisan bill, that the president was willing to sign, proposed more resources. And I think we all know why that bill never came to a vote, don't we?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/06/26/border-crossings-drop-biden-closures/

It never came to a vote because it was not meant to come to a vote.

The purpose was so that the dems could get more funding for a foreign war while proposing changes at the border.

Thehy knew the Republicans would not pass the bill so they now can say, " Republicans don't care about the border, they refused our bill".... Or in the off chance it was passed they get their much desired money for a foreign war.

toomuchbaloney · Jun 26, 2024

Crusades said:

Yes. Regardless of Trump's character and/or crimes, heis more competent to run the country.

So a president who "lied about covid" been convicted of a felony, cheated on his wide is better than Biden. Too bad the democrats of his family couldn't resist elder abuse for power.

Yes. That's your opinion. It must be an emotionally based opinion, because by pretty much every measurable metric Trump is not better or more competent. For some reason, you keep repeating this weird thing about elder abuse which isn't really very flattering for you.

heron, ASN, RN · Jun 26, 2024

nursej22 said:

Disincentivise the hiring of undocumented workers.

We need to speed up the process. I've spoken to green card holders that have spouses that have waited 10 years to immigrate. There are jobs to fill, and us boomers just keep on retiring.

I'm talking about judges to catch up on the backlog of people requesting asylum. The average wait time for a hearing is 4-6 years.

Yes, you keep saying that. And, more recently, a bipartisan bill, that the president was willing to sign, proposed more resources. And I think we all know why that bill never came to a vote, don't we?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/06/26/border-crossings-drop-biden-closures/

I would include real criminal and/or financial consequences to for those who are hiring undocumented migrants. People probably have a variety of reasons for attempting illegal entry to the US. I'd be willing to bet that access to paid work would place pretty high on that list.

As a nurse, I worked for 50 years in urban facilities with relatively large number of immigrants from every continent on earth except Antarctica. Quite a few of whom were working upwards of 60 hours a week to support their own families in addition to sending money home. Putting the illegal labor market in check, we make room for people who have as much right to be here as any Brit or German.

The problem is that as long as it's possible to turn a bigger profit with low-cost, captive labor, business owners will continue to exploit it. It's all either perfectly legal or the law is being so poorly enforced as to be functionally non-existent.

Ethical or moral? Not so much, I think.

I agree that we should be enforcing existing law. I think shutting off the financing is a great place to start.

Meanwhile, it's interesting to watch the bohemian grove set argue over who gets the biggest pitchfork.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Jun 27, 2024

Beerman said:

House Republicans passed a bill on border security. The current administration's policies are soft on those entering illegally. A Republican president would fix that. So, if you want Republicans to do something, vote Republican.

So again, what exactly about our immigration laws needs fixing?

What bill are you referring to that the House Republicans passed?

Home Health Columnist / Guide · Jun 27, 2024

subee said:

What bill are you referring to that the House Republicans passed?

H.R.2 - Secure the Border Act of 2023 May 2, 23 Passed by the Yeas and Nays: 219 - 213

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This division requires certain actions related to border security.

(Sec. 102) This section requires the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) to resume all activities related to constructing a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border that were underway or planned prior to January 20, 2021.

(Sec. 103) This section imposes additional requirements on DHS related to the construction of barriers along the U.S.-Mexico border. For example, the bill requires DHS to construct a border wall (including related infrastructure and technology) along at least 900 miles of that border, whereas currently DHS is required to have at least 700 miles of reinforced fencing along that border.

This section also requires DHS to waive all legal requirements necessary to ensure the expeditious construction of the border barriers, whereas currently DHS is authorized to waive such requirements.

(Sec. 104) This section requires U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) to submit a strategic five-year technology investment plan to Congress.

(Sec. 105) This section imposes certain documentation and acquisition-related standards on major border security technology acquisitions, generally those that cost at least $100 million based on FY2023 constant dollars.

(Sec. 106) This section requires CBP to (1) ensure that each CBP officer or agent is equipped with a two-way communication device, (2) fully implement the Border Security Deployment Program (a border surveillance program), and (3) upgrade license plate readers as needed at ports of entry along the northern and southern borders.

(Sec. 107) This section authorizes retention bonuses for eligible frontline U.S. Border Patrol law enforcement agents.

The section also requires CBP to maintain an active duty presence of at least 22,000 full-time equivalent Border Patrol agents by September 30, 2025.

(Sec. 108) This section modifies a provision that exempts certain applicants for CBP law enforcement positions from having to take a polygraph test. For example, this section provides this exemption to certain law enforcement officers, whereas currently the waiver is only available to eligible veterans.

The waiver provision established by this section is not applicable during periods when CBP certifies that it has met certain staffing requirements.

(Sec. 109) This section requires CBP to implement a workload staffing model for the Border Patrol and CBP Air and Marine Operations.

(Sec. 110) This section provides statutory authorization for Operation Stonegarden, a program which provides grants to law enforcement agencies that are (1) in a state with an international land or maritime border, and (2) involved in an active CBP operation coordinated through the Border Patrol.

(Sec. 111) This section establishes certain requirements for CBP Air and Marine Operations. For example, CBP must ensure that its Air and Marine Operations (1) carry out at least 110,000 flight hours each year, and (2) operate unmanned aircraft systems (drones) on the southern border 24 hours a day.

(Sec. 112) This section requires DHS to hire contractors to begin eradicating certain plant growth along the Rio Grande River that impedes border security operations.

(Sec. 113) This section requires the Border Patrol to issue a Border Patrol Strategic Plan to enhance border security.

(Sec. 115) This section prohibits DHS from (1) processing the entry of non-U.S. nationals (aliens under federal law) arriving in between ports of entry; (2) providing funds to nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) that facilitate or encourage unlawful activity; or (3) providing funds to NGOs that provide certain services, such as lodging or immigration legal services, to inadmissible non-U.S. nationals who enter the United States.

(Sec. 116) This section requires DHS to ensure that CBP is, within 14 days of this bill's enactment, fully compliant with federal DNA and biometric collection requirements at U.S. land borders.

(Sec. 117) This section requires CBP to periodically review and update, as necessary, manuals and policies related to inspections at ports of entry to ensure the uniformity of inspection practices to effectively detect illegal activity along the border, such as the smuggling of drugs and humans.

(Sec. 118) This section requires CBP to publish information monthly about CBP encounters with non-U.S. nationals, including the total number of encounters and the nationalities of the individuals encountered.

(Sec. 119) This section requires CBP to, within seven days of this bill's enactment, certify to Congress that CBP has real-time access to the criminal history databases of all countries of origin and transit for non-U.S. nationals encountered by CBP.

(Sec. 120) This section prohibits the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) from accepting as proof of identification certain documents, such as a warrant issued by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) or an employment authorization issued by DHS.

The TSA must collect the biometric information of any individual who (1) seeks to enter the aircraft boarding area of an airport where access is controlled by the TSA, (2) does not present an accepted identification document, and (3) the TSA cannot verify is a U.S. national. The TSA must share this collected biometric information with the Automated Biometric Identification System (IDENT).

(Sec. 121) This section prohibits DHS from (1) issuing any COVID-19 vaccine mandate unless expressly authorized by Congress, or (2) taking any adverse action against an employee based solely on the employee's refusal to receive a COVID-19 vaccine.

(Sec. 122) This section limits the use of the CBP One mobile application or a similar program. Specifically, DHS may only use such an application for inspecting perishable cargo.

(Sec. 124) This section requires the Government Accountability Office to study and report to Congress on the costs incurred by states in support of the federal mission to secure the southwest border and the feasibility of reimbursing states for such costs.

(Sec. 125) This section requires the Office of Inspector General of DHS to annually report to Congress on the economic and security impact of mass migration to municipalities and states along the southwest border.

(Sec. 126) This section specifies that no funds are authorized to be appropriated for specified DHS activities, including a pilot program for alternatives to detention or purchasing electric vehicles.

(Sec. 128) This section requires the Office of Inspector General of DHS to report to Congress an assessment of CBP's ability to mitigate unmanned aircraft systems along the southwest border.

No democrats voted for this bill. Senate did not take up the bill due to some of the highlighted sections.

The Senate rejected an amendment to the Debt Limit bill that would have added the House-passed H.R. 2, the Secure the Border Act, to the must-pass legislation. The amendment was defeated 46-to-51 mostly along party lines with all but one Republican supporting the amendment and all the Democrats opposing the amendment.

The Hill 1/2024

5 things to know about the border bill at the heart of GOP shutdown threats

Beerman, BSN · Jun 27, 2024

nursej22 said:

Disincentivise the hiring of undocumented workers.

The Secure the Border Act passed by House Republicans addressed this. E-Verify would become federal law. And, this is one of the items in the bill that congressional Democrats objected to.

nursej22 said:

We need to speed up the process. I've spoken to green card holders that have spouses that have waited 10 years to immigrate. There are jobs to fill, and us boomers just keep on retiring.

That's fair. I think most Americans could support that.

nursej22 said:

I'm talking about judges to catch up on the backlog of people requesting asylum. The average wait time for a hearing is 4-6 years.

The House bill addressed asylum fraud that greatly contributes to a overloaded asylum system.

nursej22 said:

Yes, you keep saying that. And, more recently, a bipartisan bill, that the president was willing to sign, proposed more resources. And I think we all know why that bill never came to a vote, don't we?

I keep saying that because the narrative here continues to be that Republicans don't want to fix anything. It was actually Democrat majority Senate who refused to take up a similar bill to the one passed last year by Republicans.

Yes, that bill you speak of had a few food things in it, but did nothing to stop the influx of those coming. Thank goodness it was shot down by smarter Republicans than the few who agreed to it.

toomuchbaloney · Jun 27, 2024

Crusades said:

It never came to a vote because it was not meant to come to a vote.

The purpose was so that the dems could get more funding for a foreign war while proposing changes at the border.

Thehy knew the Republicans would not pass the bill so they now can say, " Republicans don't care about the border, they refused our bill".... Or in the off chance it was passed they get their much desired money for a foreign war.

That's quite a fever dream. Was Senator Lankford in on the subterfuge?

Beerman, BSN · Jun 27, 2024

Crusades said:

It never came to a vote because it was not meant to come to a vote.

The purpose was so that the dems could get more funding for a foreign war while proposing changes at the border.

Thehy knew the Republicans would not pass the bill so they now can say, " Republicans don't care about the border, they refused our bill".... Or in the off chance it was passed they get their much desired money for a foreign war.

You got it!

Beerman, BSN · Jun 27, 2024

subee said:

What bill are you referring to that the House Republicans passed?

The Secure the Border Act passed in May of 2023. A Senate version was introduced by Sen. Cruz, but was never taken up for debate or a vote.