President Biden thread

https://www.ojp.gov/library/publications/comparing-crime-rates-between-undocumented-immigrants-legal-immigrants-and

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The study found that undocumented immigrants had substantially lower crime rates than native-born citizens and legal immigrants across a range of felony offenses. Relative to undocumented immigrants, U.S.-born citizens are over 2 times more likely to be arrested for violent crimes, 2.5 times more likely to be arrested for drug crimes, and over 4 times more likely to be arrested for property crimes. In addition, the proportion of arrests involving undocumented immigrants in Texas was relatively stable or decreasing over this period. The differences between U.S.-born citizens and undocumented immigrants are robust to using alternative estimates of the broader undocumented population, alternate classifications of those counted as "undocumented" at arrest and substituting misdemeanors or convictions as measures of crime.

Beerman said:

No, I don't think that anyone is OK with a little girl or anyone else getting murdered.

Well, then you should be like me in wondering why these two weren't locked up.  They broke our laws and were caught.   They were set free inside our country the same day.  

Border security had nothing to do with this situation.  Your misunderstanding of Trump and the wall isn't relevant.

I think you meant asylum, not amnesty.  And, I agree.

As I read the article, the 2 men were arrested for crossing illegally, and then released. They were arrested and jailed after the child was assaulted and killed. Was there some way that the Border Patrol and judge could have predicted that the 2 would go on to commit a heinous crime? Otherwise, I think crossing the border without permission is a misdemeanor and wouldn't necessarily call for detainment. 

Beerman said:

No, I don't think that anyone is OK with a little girl or anyone else getting murdered.

Well, then you should be like me in wondering why these two weren't locked up.  They broke our laws and were caught.   They were set free inside our country the same day.  

Border security had nothing to do with this situation.  Your misunderstanding of Trump and the wall isn't relevant.

I think you meant asylum, not amnesty.  And, I agree.

Pbooey on auto prompting!  It's often just creating more work.  I agree with you that it's a national security problem when we don't do criminal background checks on every person we let in.  I don't get it.  But that doesn't mean I think Trump is less dangerous to my well being and to the rest of us.  I would like to know more about how this happened.  It's always more complicated than what is reported as outrage in RWM.  They are notoriously short on facts since they report superficially on stories that deserve reporting , not infotainment fear mongering.

Beerman said:

No, they couldn't have predicted one way or another.  That would be why our laws allow for detainment of illegal aliens until their case is adjudicated. 

Many liberals agree with you that this misdemeanor doesn't "call for detainment".  Prosecutions for this crime and related offenses including repeat offenders (a felony) are waaaay down compared to Trump while at the same time millions more have come.

No detention and no prosecution = increased illegal migration.  It's interesting that some liberals don't understand that equation, and that the same time the people they vote for do, and are OK with it except when it starts to hurt them in the polls.  

I first said it on the old "blue side" and many times since that elected Democrats are OK with chaos at the border and don't mind overwhelming our immigration and asylum system. 

Now, see what they've done?

No, its not that complicated.  It happened quite easily.  We simply aren't detaining, or prosecuting most of these folks.  That's our current policy. 

 

Most liberals don't think of immigrants as criminals, regardless of how they entered the country.  Honestly, having worked in the migrant health stream, I've met and interacted with lots of immigrants who were in the country illegally.  They aren't generally scary people and the crime data supports that anecdotal experience. 

Regardless, this is the campaign strategy for Republicans; fear mongering about things that they refuse to take action to fix.  There are lots of people fleeing untenable situations south of us but they at not our problem with crime. 

Beerman said:

No, they couldn't have predicted one way or another.  That would be why our laws allow for detainment of illegal aliens until their case is adjudicated. 

Many liberals agree with you that this misdemeanor doesn't "call for detainment".  Prosecutions for this crime and related offenses including repeat offenders (a felony) are waaaay down compared to Trump while at the same time millions more have come.

No detention and no prosecution = increased illegal migration.  It's interesting that some liberals don't understand that equation, and that the same time the people they vote for do, and are OK with it except when it starts to hurt them in the polls.  

I first said it on the old "blue side" and many times since that elected Democrats are OK with chaos at the border and don't mind overwhelming our immigration and asylum system. 

Now, see what they've done?

No, its not that complicated.  It happened quite easily.  We simply aren't detaining, or prosecuting most of these folks.  That's our current policy. 

 

But your takeaway is that this a  popular among all Democrats and that's too broad a brush.  WE are the cats and MAGA's are the dogs.  You can't herd us and you can't make us all agree.  WE are the liberal ones who are reasonable... not puppy dogs at our master's lap.  It is the Democrat's curse and it's strength.  Immigration is not an issue for me except that it's difficult to get seasonal tourist and farm workers in numbers.  I vote my middle class interests.  While I am not happy with the border, it's not gonna make me vote for anyone too stupid and devoid of a moral compassion.  He's so dumb he advocates for enforced 10 commandments (except for the 1st commandment) which were written long before Christianity was invented.  They were ready civil codes.  Since Trump has probably never looked at them, he doesn't realize that he is the poster scuz for adultery.  The irony is completely lost on him.  But I bet Melania also would have picked it up right away if she had been watching Friday's rally of morons.  

subee said:

But your takeaway is that this a  popular among all Democrats and that's too broad a brush.  WE are the cats and MAGA's are the dogs.  You can't herd us and you can't make us all agree.  WE are the liberal ones who are reasonable... not puppy dogs at our master's lap.  It is the Democrat's curse and it's strength.  Immigration is not an issue for me except that it's difficult to get seasonal tourist and farm workers in numbers.  I vote my middle class interests.  While I am not happy with the border, it's not gonna make me vote for anyone too stupid and devoid of a moral compassion.  He's so dumb he advocates for enforced 10 commandments (except for the 1st commandment) which were written long before Christianity was invented.  They were ready civil codes.  Since Trump has probably never looked at them, he doesn't realize that he is the poster scuz for adultery.  The irony is completely lost on him.  But I bet Melania also would have picked it up right away if she had been watching Friday's rally of morons.  

Right. But suggesting all Trump supporters are in a cult isn't "too broad of a brush" ? 

Beerman said:

 

No detention and no prosecution = increased illegal migration.  It's interesting that some liberals don't understand that equation, and that the same time the people they vote for do, and are OK with it except when it starts to hurt them in the polls.  

 

I think many liberals, progressives, and conservatives understand that ineffective immigration policies and laws lead to increased illegal migration. If only there was a branch of the government that was responsible for revising the law. Hmmmm.

Or, we could build a big wall with sharp spikes on top, paint it black so it gets hot, with a moat with alligators, and guard towers and we shoot people in the knee. And those that can make it in, we steal and give away their children. 

Illegal immigrants and their bogus asylum claims do tax our system.  If we got tougher and detained them without releasing out of the system (which would tax even further and overwhelm what detention facilities we do have) and the message was "you're going to be jailed and then deported without a chance in hell of getting in" it eventually would deter them. 

Try getting that done in an election year.

But in a land of "your dead child doesn't take away my rights to own a gun", the impact of this crime seems a bit off but it is an election year.

I think one reason people up to the point of Trump, who made up all kinds of lies about the border, didn't seem to care was because they just kind of quietly disappeared, worked and contributed to society.  

Beerman said:

Thanks for sharing your feelings.

Entering illegally is a crime.  The illegal immigrants as well as those with bogus asylum claims are taxing our resources. 

Those are facts.

That is correct.  Entering illegally is a misdemeanor which doesn't generally require detention.  

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"undocumented immigrants pay taxes, amounting to tens of billions of dollars in local, state, and federal taxes per year" — even though they can't access most benefits that U.S. citizens are entitled to receive.

The Social Security Administration estimated in 2010, for example, that such immigrants contribute $12 billion per year more to the Social Security system than they take out, he noted.

Thanks for sharing your opinion and feelings about how immigrants are taxing our economy.  

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-immigrants-taxes-rent-vaccine-requirements-983035929946

https://scholarship.law.missouri.edu/betr/vol2/iss2/7/

https://pozogoldstein.com/undocumented-immigrants-pay-11-6-billion-taxes-every-year-study-shows-2/