Poorest lack of judgment EVER!!!

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My hours are 8 am - 3:30 pm. Every single day. I have made it clear many times that anything that occurs before 8:00 am needs to be dealt with by admin or call the parents directly, etc. Any emergency they call 911.

As I am backing out of my driveway at 7:12 am this morning to drive my kids to school, I get a text on my personal phone from one of our teachers that "A student was hit by a car this morning and is waiting for me to check her in my office"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I proceeded to text back "Absolutely NOT OK. Call 911 NOW, Call Police to file report and call family. In that order. I am driving my kids to school and cannot be involved in a back and forth about this". A few minutes goes by. Another text. "Grandma is with her. I don't think the car was driving very fast when it hit her". :banghead: I again sent the above text and then reminded her that I am not on duty yet, have NO WAY to evaluate the status of the student and they need to call 911. If grandmother refusing that, to have her take the kid to to ER. I also reminded her that I was driving, in my car (I was not texting and driving don't worry) and could not have this conversation and they needed to deal with it. She proceeded to text me a play by play for the next 20 minutes. I did not respond.

I am currently sitting in my office, door closed, trying to decompress so I do not attack anyone. The teacher who texted me is outside my door teaching a class and I am counting slowly to 100 before I go about my day.

Am I being unreasonable here to think that this was completely out of line and a complete lack of judgment? Who cares if the "car was barely moving when it hit her"?! No one saw the incident occur so no one can determine how fast the car was going, if she fell and bumped head, etc. No one. What did she think I was going to do over the phone? This also occurred in our crosswalk, with one of our teachers acting as the crossing guard, so I am assuming there is liability, etc. I am having a meeting with my OPs director ASAP (she is not in the building which is probably why this happened in the first place).

Vent over. Thanks for listening. Kid is fine by the way, in ER now to be safe and just shaken up more than anything.

I swear this sounds like something that would happen to me at my schools! I am so glad the child was ok. And I am glad you addressed it because if it happened this time it will happen again. I know we all feel honored that they value our opinion but that could have went so many ways of wrong "waiting on the school nurse to check her out." I am rolling my eyes and shaking my head! But like someone else said I believe it was a way to push responsibility to you and off of them. When in reality it doesnt work that way.

I can't make my district realize that I am not an on call nurse either. And it is easy to say "Just don't answer your phone." Most people can do that. I on the other handle would freak if I didnt answer a work call at anytime. They call my personal cell all the time. It drives me insane. But it wont stop. No matter how many times I address it. They call me when I am not on campus, they call me when I havent even clocked in yet and they call me after I have left. I really do feel for you! You handled the situation very well.

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I swear this sounds like something that would happen to me at my schools! I am so glad the child was ok. And I am glad you addressed it because if it happened this time it will happen again. I know we all feel honored that they value our opinion but that could have went so many ways of wrong "waiting on the school nurse to check her out." I am rolling my eyes and shaking my head! But like someone else said I believe it was a way to push responsibility to you and off of them. When in reality it doesnt work that way.

I can't make my district realize that I am not an on call nurse either. And it is easy to say "Just don't answer your phone." Most people can do that. I on the other handle would freak if I didnt answer a work call at anytime. They call my personal cell all the time. It drives me insane. But it wont stop. No matter how many times I address it. They call me when I am not on campus, they call me when I havent even clocked in yet and they call me after I have left. I really do feel for you! You handled the situation very well.

I am glad I've never had to deal with the types of situations school nurses are describing. But your post reminded me that often when I call a place of business (during business hours, no less) I get a recording: "If you're hearing this message during business hours I am away from my desk blah blah blah..." Can't you put one of these on your phone when you're not at work:

"If you're reaching this outside of regular school hours, I am not available. If this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911."

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I am glad I've never had to deal with the types of situations school nurses are describing. But your post reminded me that often when I call a place of business (during business hours, no less) I get a recording: "If you're hearing this message during business hours I am away from my desk blah blah blah..." Can't you put one of these on your phone when you're not at work:

"If you're reaching this outside of regular school hours, I am not available. If this is an emergency, hang up and dial 911."

Lord knows, I've heard this message often enough at medical practices...

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Glad it turned out all ok!!! Once again though, this entire debacle goes back on the teacher for sticking her nose in where it DOES NOT BELONG!

We are not ON CALL nurses, we are not paid to be in the building 24/7 and at every single activity. It amazes me that staff make this assumption though! Every adult in the building is responsible for the safety and welfare of students, not just the nurse. A few years ago (a different school district than I am at now) the office manager called me on a day that I wasn't even on campus ( small school, only there 2 days week) at 5;20 ( even if I was there, i would have left at 4:00) and requested I come back and look at a teacher's ankle to see if it was fractured. I was at home (a 45 minute drive away) so I told her no, teacher needs to go to ER or urgent care. She still insisted so I told her I have no x-ray and don't diagnose either. She hung up on me and reported me to my supervisor who told her I acted appropriately. We had a good laugh about it together later!!

Good thing you changed districts. I imagine you would have had to have a showdown with this dear heart (not the name that initially came to mind) eventually...

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My hours are 8 am - 3:30 pm. Every single day. I have made it clear many times that anything that occurs before 8:00 am needs to be dealt with by admin or call the parents directly, etc. Any emergency they call 911.

As I am backing out of my driveway at 7:12 am this morning to drive my kids to school, I get a text on my personal phone from one of our teachers that "A student was hit by a car this morning and is waiting for me to check her in my office"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I proceeded to text back "Absolutely NOT OK. Call 911 NOW, Call Police to file report and call family. In that order. I am driving my kids to school and cannot be involved in a back and forth about this". A few minutes goes by. Another text. "Grandma is with her. I don't think the car was driving very fast when it hit her". :banghead: I again sent the above text and then reminded her that I am not on duty yet, have NO WAY to evaluate the status of the student and they need to call 911. If grandmother refusing that, to have her take the kid to to ER. I also reminded her that I was driving, in my car (I was not texting and driving don't worry) and could not have this conversation and they needed to deal with it. She proceeded to text me a play by play for the next 20 minutes. I did not respond.

I am currently sitting in my office, door closed, trying to decompress so I do not attack anyone. The teacher who texted me is outside my door teaching a class and I am counting slowly to 100 before I go about my day.

Am I being unreasonable here to think that this was completely out of line and a complete lack of judgment? Who cares if the "car was barely moving when it hit her"?! No one saw the incident occur so no one can determine how fast the car was going, if she fell and bumped head, etc. No one. What did she think I was going to do over the phone? This also occurred in our crosswalk, with one of our teachers acting as the crossing guard, so I am assuming there is liability, etc. I am having a meeting with my OPs director ASAP (she is not in the building which is probably why this happened in the first place).

Vent over. Thanks for listening. Kid is fine by the way, in ER now to be safe and just shaken up more than anything.

Wow. What a clueless teacher. You are right to vent and you handled it as I would have.

I can't even. This is like me calling Wells Fargo and saying "I know you're a bank, can you give me some money?"

I'd be having a meeting fast (like you did) about emergencies, liability, scope of practice...etc.

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KISS!! remember that acronym? if someone calls you about an emergency..because you ARE the school nurse, but you have your boundaries. Simple KISS...Tell them...Call 911 & hang up! Parents today have attention span of a nit. They rather talk on their smartphone, then their kids. Courtesy has left the building. Get USED TO IT!!

NOW learn how to breathe. OR turn your phone off, till you get to your job..And WHY do the parents have your PERSONAL phone.

KISS!! remember that acronym? if someone calls you about an emergency..because you ARE the school nurse, but you have your boundaries. Simple KISS...Tell them...Call 911 & hang up! Parents today have attention span of a nit. They rather talk on their smartphone, then their kids. Courtesy has left the building. Get USED TO IT!!

NOW learn how to breathe. OR turn your phone off, till you get to your job..And WHY do the parents have your PERSONAL phone.

Man, you sure came out of the gates swinging on a few posts here. We are in the business of being supportive in this subgroup as well as thoroughly reading the original post.

OP received a call from a coworker, not a parent and did as you said.

As we school nurses have been known to say: Settle down, Snowflake.

Glad it turned out all ok!!! Once again though, this entire debacle goes back on the teacher for sticking her nose in where it DOES NOT BELONG!

We are not ON CALL nurses, we are not paid to be in the building 24/7 and at every single activity. It amazes me that staff make this assumption though! Every adult in the building is responsible for the safety and welfare of students, not just the nurse. A few years ago (a different school district than I am at now) the office manager called me on a day that I wasn't even on campus ( small school, only there 2 days week) at 5;20 ( even if I was there, i would have left at 4:00) and requested I come back and look at a teacher's ankle to see if it was fractured. I was at home (a 45 minute drive away) so I told her no, teacher needs to go to ER or urgent care. She still insisted so I told her I have no x-ray and don't diagnose either. She hung up on me and reported me to my supervisor who told her I acted appropriately. We had a good laugh about it together later!!

I used to work with a deputy sheriff who expected our boss (a nurse) to provide him with a daily BP check and free BP medicine from our stock. boss said she had grown pretty tired of this but didn't know how to put a stop to it. Very frustrating. It went on until she transferred out. He tried to get other nurses to take up this practice but we all told him we had liability if anything went wrong, giving him stock meds was stealing and maybe prescribing, which nurses could not legally do. He was shocked when told he was receiving stolen property. He got quite upset but stopped coming to the Infirmary.

I am glad you stood your ground, Enough.

OP, don't even answer your phone before or after your duty hours.

Specializes in Cardiology, School Nursing, General.
Man, you sure came out of the gates swinging on a few posts here. We are in the business of being supportive in this subgroup as well as thoroughly reading the original post.

OP received a call from a coworker, not a parent and did as you said.

As we school nurses have been known to say: Settle down, Snowflake.

What's KISS?

What's KISS?

Keep It Simple Stupid

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