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In one thread in this forum, I read where many of you were concerned about the public's view of the nurse's image. One nurse made a statement to the effect that "we have worked long and hard to shed the stereotype of the 'sexy nurse', 'nurse as stripper' image."
However, while Mediaography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.
For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:
"I've seen more body parts than I care to mention...no big deal..."
"I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive."
"You get used to it..."
Etc.
It's clear that nurses can be trained to "get past the nudity" so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.
I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse's professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning "moral turpitude". Still others made statements such as "What we do outside our places of employment is our business..."
Oh, really?
On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it's legal, dont'cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper's safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the "professional" image of nurses in general.
Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: Mercy and Morality.
Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals... some have none at all, it seems. But don't you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?
If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our English word *Mediaography* is the Greek word MediaEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered "prostitution." You are in a sense "prostituting" yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect... just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn't a prostitute do the same thing?)
If a patient recognized the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain't fantasy, myrtle, it's actually happening!) at the hospital, don't you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)
Don't you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?
Here's a post from a thread I recently found:
"I think Media is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at Media. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a 'prude'."
Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing Media to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of Media affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don't know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental "peep show."
Other things such as mentioning member sizes at the nurse's station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient's size if she sees hundreds and "none are impressive"? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn't know, it shouldn't matter, right?
When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with "We are professionals and want to be treated as such." When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, "We are human."
In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?
Looking forward to your feedback and comments!
Thanks...
No. A nurse's "view of nudity" does not impact his/her work. There is nothing even remotely sexual about nurses' work. I think a lot of your offensive comments and implications stem from ignorance as opposed to something nefarious, so bypassing your apparent inability to understand that professionalism involves checking one's personal life at the door (for all professionals, not just nurses), I will simply say that, if you had even the slightest clue about what nurses do, see, hear, and SMELL on a daily basis at work, you wouldn't have any trouble wrapping your mind around the fact that nurses do not sexualize anything at work.
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Ah.
I get the sense that you are harboring some pretty significant fears regarding nurses' opinions of men's genitals, particularly as it relates to size. (Although, you also sound a tad offended that some anonymous online source deemed all male genitalia unimpressive.) Let me assure you that, even if there were some parallel universe in which I gazed at a "Mr. July" centerfold immediately prior to providing patient care, there is ZERO correlation between Mr. July (and why I look at him) and a patient (and why I look at him). I swear to you -- we do not see patients as "sex objects," nor are we enjoying (or fighting off the urge to indulge in) a "mental peep show." I promise you, none of us have a "fascination with the male form... hidden beneath [our] scrubs" or anywhere else.
Your paragraph about the alleged hypocrisy of a nurse who moonlights as a stripper "warn[ing] a [strip club-patronizing] patient about his sexual remarks" during a bed bath inspires concern. First, issuance of a warning is not a standard part of the bathing procedure, leading me to wonder if perhaps you found yourself on the receiving end of such a warning about inappropriate comments made to a nurse during your recent hospitalization. Second, I don't care if a nurse "gives it away" on a street corner every single moment s/he is not at work -- that would not make a patient's pervy comments any more acceptable or less reprehensible than if they were directed toward a nurse who retires to a convent after every shift. While I'm on this subject, I would like to take a moment to make sure you are aware that rape is not okay, even if the woman is dressed like a prostitute.
Speaking of prostitutes: chuckle away, secure in your ability to google the origin of certain English words, but please don't be so obnoxious as to pretend not to know that in modern conventional use, "stripping" means dancing and "prostitution" means trading sex for money or goods. FYI, etymology involves not only the origin of words, but also the ways in which words' meanings have changed throughout history. Just sayin'.
Since I'm on a roll, you are not a nurse, so I find your use of "we" and "our" ("if we are supposed to be professionals..." and "...fight for our rights and do and be anything we want outside the medical environment...") disingenuous.
One last tidbit: medicine and nursing are different professions (referring to your statement pertaining to morality and mercy). That's just something you should know if you plan to frequent nursing websites.
Well, nurses are human and humans are sexual. Do people try to disengage from their sexuality? Sure. Can they do it successfully at work? Of course.
It is ridiculous to posit that nurses cannot contain themselves at the sight of a member or vulva. Just as ridiculous as saying bus drivers cannot contain themselves at the sight of a hot young man or woman who gets on the bus. Sexuality is a part of our nature, but the social contracts we engage in (willingly), allow us to express that sexuality in private situations.
Now, do I believe the various BONs have the right to dictate what I do during the hours when I am not on duty? Absolutely not! And I will defend my freedom to express myself however I want when I am not at work. Any BON who challenges my freedom will be in for a fight. The idea that nurses are equivalent to nuns is just as ridiculous as the scenario we spoke of above.
Thanks for your interesting post!
One thing to add to my other post. Someone pointed out that the OP seems to be more fixated on the NURSE engaging in after hour activities. I think from the original post it is pretty clear he is talking about female nurses, as men in nursing have different types of stereotypes to combat. It all goes back to an unhealthy view of sex and sexuality. People have sex for many reasons, and we all know that the least common reason is to make a baby. Functionally, one of the only ways to make a baby is sex, but look at the ratio of how many times you have sex compared to how many times you have sex to get pregnant.
Why is it that when a woman wants to have sex (outside of babymaking/marriage), or feel sexy/desirable, this somehow questions her morals/ethics? To this day we still chastise men for 'not getting enough', and shame women that get it 'too much'. Unless someone is breaking the law, why should you treat the person any differently? Is it okay to grope a stripper nurse when she works at the hospital? THAT is what women are against--the 'naughty nurse' is a fantasy, but when people make a joke/act upon it they have crossed the line.
Understand where you are coming from but the reality is there is enough of the public who believe that this type of behavior is immoral and would question this kind of behavior.
As adults, on our own time, we can choose how we would like. Some could have consequences. There's any multiple professions that someone gets themselves into a tough spot with less than stellar decisions. (We have even had presidents who have done that.) Yet, on they went to finish out a term.
The take away I get from your original post, OP, is that you were a patient in a hospital with a surgery that you had to get naked for, put in a vulnerable state for, and had far too many people (nurses and otherwise) all up in your business than you would care to.
Then it started a thought process of how a nurse justifyes one's personal sexuality from the job. Happens every day. Be rest assured that procedures are clinical. And are documented accordingly. And educated appropriately. Though media may sensationalize the very few members of the profession who do the wrong thing, there are so many who do it right. Regardless if they strip on the weekend, read "50 shades", or watch Media (
If you search hard enough on any forum, you will find what you are looking for. At the end of the day, I get you were vulnerable, that you were less than thrilled to be put in the state you were in, and mortified at the thought that a nurse could be thinking about your procedure in a less than clinical way. As many parts of a whole, I hope that you have rectified in your mind that the chance of this is highly unlikely.
No. A nurse's "view of nudity" does not impact his/her work. There is nothing even remotely sexual about nurses' work. I think a lot of your offensive comments and implications stem from ignorance as opposed to something nefarious, so bypassing your apparent inability to understand that professionalism involves checking one's personal life at the door (for all professionals, not just nurses), I will simply say that, if you had even the slightest clue about what nurses do, see, hear, and SMELL on a daily basis at work, you wouldn't have any trouble wrapping your mind around the fact that nurses do not sexualize anything at work.Ah.
I get the sense that you are harboring some pretty significant fears regarding nurses' opinions of men's genitals, particularly as it relates to size. (Although, you also sound a tad offended that some anonymous online source deemed all male genitalia unimpressive.) Let me assure you that, even if there were some parallel universe in which I gazed at a "Mr. July" centerfold immediately prior to providing patient care, there is ZERO correlation between Mr. July (and why I look at him) and a patient (and why I look at him). I swear to you -- we do not see patients as "sex objects," nor are we enjoying (or fighting off the urge to indulge in) a "mental peep show." I promise you, none of us have a "fascination with the male form... hidden beneath [our] scrubs" or anywhere else.
Your paragraph about the alleged hypocrisy of a nurse who moonlights as a stripper "warn[ing] a [strip club-patronizing] patient about his sexual remarks" during a bed bath inspires concern. First, issuance of a warning is not a standard part of the bathing procedure, leading me to wonder if perhaps you found yourself on the receiving end of such a warning about inappropriate comments made to a nurse during your recent hospitalization. Second, I don't care if a nurse "gives it away" on a street corner every single moment s/he is not at work -- that would not make a patient's pervy comments any more acceptable or less reprehensible than if they were directed toward a nurse who retires to a convent after every shift. While I'm on this subject, I would like to take a moment to make sure you are aware that rape is not okay, even if the woman is dressed like a prostitute.
Speaking of prostitutes: chuckle away, secure in your ability to google the origin of certain English words, but please don't be so obnoxious as to pretend not to know that in modern conventional use, "stripping" means dancing and "prostitution" means trading sex for money or goods. FYI, etymology involves not only the origin of words, but also the ways in which words' meanings have changed throughout history. Just sayin'.
Since I'm on a roll, you are not a nurse, so I find your use of "we" and "our" ("if we are supposed to be professionals..." and "...fight for our rights and do and be anything we want outside the medical environment...") disingenuous.
One last tidbit: medicine and nursing are different professions (referring to your statement pertaining to morality and mercy). That's just something you should know if you plan to frequent nursing websites.
WAY TO GO, unicoRNurse, so very well said.
Wow, I sure could have used you in my ear a few times in my life when I needed the EXACT thing to say at just the EXACT moment!
Men's sexualality in Nursing | allnurses
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nurses are human and since there are more females in nursing I've heard more inappropriate
comments on the endowments of their male patients or their looks from female nurses than
I've heard from male nurses
Let's have some context, shall we?
The comment was taken from the middle of a post in response to a woman who chose not to have male caregivers basically because she feared what she believed to be the overwhelming nature of male sexuality and her apparent belief that male providers could not turn off their horny instincts when taking care of female patients.
Not to re-argue the lady's point, but the most telling was her first sentence "I am not a nurse". People who are nurses will need to read no further than that.
Tweety's comment meant nothing more than a statistical fact. He didn't say how many females make comments like that. He said he's heard more females comment about males than he has heard males comment on females because of the overwhelming percentage of female nurses compared to males. Maybe he's heard 5 inappropriate comments from women and 2 from men over a period of years. That might mean some tiny fraction of nurses who make such comments at all.
I'm really getting the impression some person/people isn't/aren't interested in an exchange of ideas but browbeating us with their erroneous beliefs.
I have been working in the healthcare field for 6 yrs. Now I work with lots of people from different backgrounds. I have heard a nurse or aide (female & male) say something like "OMG did you see Mr. John Doe's member? That thing is huge!" On many different occasions. But never have I found someone say they would ride that or talking about how it's benefiting them in any way. As healthcare professionals I think we are human as any other.. we will see things some people are just more outwardly spoken than others either way I don't think the nurse wanted to pounce on his member because it was large or got any gratification out of it.
kbrn2002, ADN, RN
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The simple answer is yes. There are a lot of employers that expect any nurse under their employ to maintain at least a semblance of decorum even off the clock. Going to a local bar and getting kind of wild, even dancing on the bar is ok..there is nothing illegal about that [as long as said nurse keeps her clothes on] where a nurse actually dancing on a pole and getting paid for it is probably not ok.
Also I can't speak for every state as all state boards of nursing have their own standards and practices but I imagine it is pretty standard across the states to have severe penalties, up to losing a license, for illegal activities.