Of Nursing, Nudity and Public Perception

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In one thread in this forum, I read where many of you were concerned about the public's view of the nurse's image. One nurse made a statement to the effect that "we have worked long and hard to shed the stereotype of the 'sexy nurse', 'nurse as stripper' image."

However, while Mediaography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.

For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:

"I've seen more body parts than I care to mention...no big deal..."

"I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive."

"You get used to it..."

Etc.

It's clear that nurses can be trained to "get past the nudity" so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.

I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse's professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning "moral turpitude". Still others made statements such as "What we do outside our places of employment is our business..."

Oh, really?

On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it's legal, dont'cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper's safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the "professional" image of nurses in general.

Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: Mercy and Morality.

Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals... some have none at all, it seems. But don't you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?

If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our English word *Mediaography* is the Greek word MediaEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered "prostitution." You are in a sense "prostituting" yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect... just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn't a prostitute do the same thing?)

If a patient recognized the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain't fantasy, myrtle, it's actually happening!) at the hospital, don't you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)

Don't you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?

Here's a post from a thread I recently found:

"I think Media is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at Media. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a 'prude'."

Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing Media to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of Media affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don't know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental "peep show."

Other things such as mentioning member sizes at the nurse's station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient's size if she sees hundreds and "none are impressive"? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn't know, it shouldn't matter, right?

When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with "We are professionals and want to be treated as such." When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, "We are human."

In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?

Looking forward to your feedback and comments!

Thanks...

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Thanks for your replies and, no, I did not intend to start anything or "troll" as you guys call it. One other thing: one post stated that my quote was actually not a quote but an amalgam of thoughts put together.

If you search allnurses.com you will indeed find that this is an actual quote made by a nurse in another thread. That is why there were quotes around the block of text, OK?

I did a search last night. These two below bracketed with quotes are not quotes. This is why we ask people to provide links when they first begin to discuss what third parties have said on the subject. If you can point to these quotes you can help me advance my research skills.

“I’ve seen more body parts than I care to mention…no big deal...”

“I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive.”

nursel56

There was one quote where a nurse stated that she believed that Media was wrong. This block of text was an actual quote. This is what I was referring to when I stated that "If you search allnurses.com you will indeed find that this [meaning a single quote] is an actual quote made by a nurse in another thread. That is why there were quotes around the block of text, OK?" That was in reference to this one block of text.

These that you have listed asking for sources are simply literary devices. Unfortunately, I used quotation marks around paraphrased material. And I do apologize.

I was trying to show that these sentiments are, indeed, widely-held opinions.

Thanks...

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Unfortunately, you are confusing two aspects of my original post.

I usually score pretty high on reading comprehension exams but I guess I met my match with your original post. You have have now cleared up the difference between a literary device and a quote with respect to those two items I described as a paraphrasing of several concepts. Thank you!

My OP was written very early in the morning. Forgive its lack of cohesiveness. I did amend my reply when I realized that my literary device actually did not need quotes. I apologize, Ma' am.

(I actually am a nice guy...)

“I’ve seen more body parts than I care to mention…no big deal...”

“I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive.”

I fail to see what's "morally" wrong with either of these statements. Many patients who find themselves acutely ill are not used to strangers seeing them naked or providing personal care. Comments like these ease the tension and break the ice.

Granted, one better have the people-reading skills to be able to tell if the pt will find it funny or offensive.

If one were feeling particularly daring, one might add "...and then there's all the ones I've seen at work!" to the end of that first comment.

It isn't morally wrong to say these things. I actually used these to show that nurses use these statements--or paraphrases--to let us know that we can trust them with our dignity. It is also used to help new nurses get over the nudity. That was the context in which it was written.

Nothing morally wrong, here...

So how does it hurt our image if some nurses choose to supplement their income by stripping, posing nude, whatever?

You make it sound like its endemic or something, when I've never heard of any nurses I know doing it. If they do, I doubt any of their patrons know that they are a nurse. Are you worried that someday a patient might recognize the nurse and be like "Hey, that's that stripper down at XXX Club!"? I really doubt that that's something that happens with any regularity....

Now some RNs I know who go to work wearing thong underwear that you can see through their white scrubs... yeah, I can see how they are feeding into the whole "naughty nurse" fetish.

Nurses who supplement their income doing unsavory things such as stripping don't exactly get announced to the stage as "miss crystal chandelier (or whatever strippers call themselves) RN, BSN"

My point is that even if they do this it's not like they have "nurse" written all over them

"So how does it hurt our image if some nurses choose to supplement their income by stripping, posing nude, whatever?

Thanks... you just validated my whole argument--though it was poorly expressed.

The public's image of a nurse is one of a caring professional--not a stripper or dancer. In one thread on the forum, a nurse was making a comment about how hard nurses have worked to shed the naughty nurse/stripper nurse image. With some nurses expressing the right for a nurse to do this, and others asking if it is OK, shows that there is some opinion among nurses themselves that if it does not harm the patient then it *is* OK. But the world is a small place. If a nurse were to choose to engage in this type of behavior, she is directly contributing to the very image that other nurses are trying hard to erase. Seems counter productive to me.

It is one thing if some want to place a nurse into a fantasy in their mind. It is another thing when nurses themselves contribute to the very image that they seem to want to eradicate. That was one of the points I was trying to make.

I know. But is it in the realm of possibility that her choices would affect her career and the image of what a nurse is?

I know. But is it in the realm of possibility that her choices would affect her career and the image of what a nurse is?

Yeah sure, its within the realm of possibility. Almost anything is possible.

To be honest, I question if your perception of the public image of nursing is accurate. This isn't 1952. Nobody views nurses as chaste, pure angels of mercy anymore.

Plus, morality is relative.

Clearly, you feel that it is immoral for a woman to strip for money. That is your right. But there are many who would disagree. Some people feel hunting animals or professional fighting is immoral. If one of my patients saw me or you hunting or at a MMA fight, and recognized us as their nurse, have we discredited the "caring and loving" image of our profession? What about homosexuals? In some parts of this country, a majority of the population view homosexuality as immoral. Should they (gay nurses)avoid public displays of their sexuality in order to protect the profession?

Where would it end? Do we condem nurses who trangress against the personal morals of every group and belief system? Or just those who trangress against yours?

Understand where you are coming from but the reality is there is enough of the public who believe that this type of behavior is immoral and would question this kind of behavior.

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