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In one thread in this forum, I read where many of you were concerned about the public's view of the nurse's image. One nurse made a statement to the effect that "we have worked long and hard to shed the stereotype of the 'sexy nurse', 'nurse as stripper' image."
However, while Mediaography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.
For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:
"I've seen more body parts than I care to mention...no big deal..."
"I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive."
"You get used to it..."
Etc.
It's clear that nurses can be trained to "get past the nudity" so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.
I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse's professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning "moral turpitude". Still others made statements such as "What we do outside our places of employment is our business..."
Oh, really?
On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it's legal, dont'cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper's safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the "professional" image of nurses in general.
Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: Mercy and Morality.
Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals... some have none at all, it seems. But don't you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?
If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our English word *Mediaography* is the Greek word MediaEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered "prostitution." You are in a sense "prostituting" yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect... just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn't a prostitute do the same thing?)
If a patient recognized the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain't fantasy, myrtle, it's actually happening!) at the hospital, don't you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)
Don't you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?
Here's a post from a thread I recently found:
"I think Media is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at Media. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a 'prude'."
Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing Media to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of Media affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don't know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental "peep show."
Other things such as mentioning member sizes at the nurse's station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient's size if she sees hundreds and "none are impressive"? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn't know, it shouldn't matter, right?
When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with "We are professionals and want to be treated as such." When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, "We are human."
In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?
Looking forward to your feedback and comments!
Thanks...
You seem to be defensive and want quantitative data to disprove your own work experience. You do not represent thousands of nurses. You are but one. And I do not mean to take away from your input. However, what I have written has occurred and regardless of the actual numbers involved it is still a fact that this has happened. Yes, we are human. My post was to get opinions about the moral choices we make and how they affect the patient-caregiver relationship. Having to show whether a poster was a real nurse or not is silly. She was. I just didn't want to use her name but her quote.If you want anecdotal evidence it is only a google search away. I know... they are not real people. They did not really see or experience what they saw... they were just subjective opinions... opinions which affect the public perception of nurses..
I'm actually not defensive, my point is you have the information at hand; post it in the means of having a discussion; you are basically calling your own examples silly; however I am curious to what was posted in order to gain insight as to how you reached your conclusions or insight.
The key to having public discourse conversation relating of the philosophy of mortality is if you are going to give thought out viewpoints is to point out what evidence you have to support your viewpoint; to not do so or to deflect as "silly" further inquires whether you are trying to stir the pot or be lazy about being tongue in check about a perceived issue.
So, show me your evidence, so I can understand your viewpoint; shouldn't be difficult at all.
My point is how our actions outside the work place can and does affect our relationships within the clinical context. What a nurse thinks about the male patient was but an example of the result of her actions elsewhere. Don't see it as a main problem.
My actions outside of work as far as sex is concerned has no bearing whatsoever on my professional behavior with patients. I find my husband attractive...but I am NOT turned on by my patients.
There seems to be this idea that if this has never occurred in one person's experience then it has never occurred. And if it has occurred then by golly the OP has to post links to articles, data, medical journals, and such to prove that it has before we make comments.
My point is that this kind of behavior has happened--even if only 10% as one post said. My main point isn't focused on how rampant this is in nursing in terms of exact numbers but how, if it has happened at all, does this affect public perceptions on the nursing profession and patient interaction.
Go read the thread about nurses asking if it is OK to model nude or strip--right here on allnurses.com. Just use the search feature... it isn't hard. My main point was and is how this affects patient interaction AND public perception. That's all. If you want links and data before you comment then don't. I'll be happy to get replies from those who would like to share their views.
Thanks...
You seem to be defensive and want quantitative data to disprove your own work experience. You do not represent thousands of nurses. You are but one. And I do not mean to take away from your input. However, what I have written has occurred and regardless of the actual numbers involved it is still a fact that this has happened. Yes, we are human. My post was to get opinions about the moral choices we make and how they affect the patient-caregiver relationship. Having to show whether a poster was a real nurse or not is silly. She was. I just didn't want to use her name but her quote.If you want anecdotal evidence it is only a google search away. I know... they are not real people. They did not really see or experience what they saw... they were just subjective opinions... opinions which affect the public perception of nurses..
While posters may seem defensive, we should be for you are maligning a honorable and trustworthy profession, your random anecdotal evidence and hearsay are not an overall objective perspective view of the reality.
For example...there have been priests that are pedophiles. Does that represent that all priests are pedophiles? NO it doesn't. I can say that nurses would be more outraged and not participate in a cover up than the catholic church proved to be.
What is the point you are trying to make here?
Definitely not a troll. Just wanted some honest feedback from nurses as to how choices we make outside affect public perceptions and patient relationships.Thanks...
No one called you names. Nurses are all about the evidence. If there is no evidence than it is hearsay and rumor.
As a staff member with over 33,000 posts...I am perfectly aware of the threads you are talking about. IN those threads you have chosen to ignore that there were many posts that spoke of behavior outside of the hospital reflects negatively on the nurse and the profession. Which is why many nurses in those posts feel strongly that part time work as a stripper is NOT the ideal second job and can be viewed as behavior unbecoming which will jeopardize the nurses job and license.Go read the thread about nurses asking if it is OK to model nude or strip--right here on allnurses.com. Just use the search feature... it isn't hard.
The posts about "seen one seen them all" are to offer encouragement to frightened students that are uncomfortable with the possibility of seeing and touching strangers private parts. Because frankly...seen one seen them all.
What is your point? What are you asking? I don't see where this is going? What burning question do you have that made you join a nursing site to discuss?
I am not maligning an honorable and trustworthy profession. I never said that ALL nurses do this or that even a majority do this. Please read the post. My request for feedback was in relation to public perception about the results of the choices we make.
If nobody wants to respond that's fair. I am not a troll--in fact, I'd rather have the administrator shut down this thread rather than to continue in fruitless dialogue.
Thanks anyway. I was hoping for some good responses. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
Is this a school project? Are you a nursing student? Is this research for a post grad degree? Nurses are cautious by nature. No one has called you names...so I am unclear as to why you have twice referred to yourself as a mythological creature that dwells under a bridge. We are happy to respond but want details about what you are asking and what evidence you have to present to "us" so that we can start a factual dialog. Nurses are all about the details. Occupational hazard.I am not maligning an honorable and trustworthy profession. I never said that ALL nurses do this or that even a majority do this. Please read the post. My request for feedback was in relation to public perception about the results of the choices we make.If nobody wants to respond that's fair. I am not a troll--in fact, I'd rather have the administrator shut down this thread rather than to continue in fruitless dialogue.
Thanks anyway. I was hoping for some good responses. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
There have been threads off and on at AN that talk about the subject of stripping and Mediaography over the years...that particular thread you ahve linked is 25 pages long. I think many nurses were very clear. It isn't a good idea to be a stripper/dancer and a nurse. It is frowned upon by employers AND the individual state licensing boards.
However...if that is what someone chooses to do on their own time....that is their choice. They are the one talking the risk with losing their job or license.
hagiospneuma said:
Thank you!
Now we can start a dialogue.
Like Esme stated; and with some digging; most of the posters who are nurses were more cautious to state or frown upon such activities; it's very likely that upholding moral and ethical as well as safety issues are the driving force of the responses.
Most nurses do uphold their ethical and moral obligation in regards to situations that may have questionable practices; when one has to maintain a higher standard to uphold the licensure that many work hard for, one will question and critically think as to what choices are feasible.
As for my 10% comment; that's a reach and too large; it's more like 1%, maybe smaller in the scheme of things.
Most of us have a moral compass and at the end of the day, still have one; as nurses we can reconcile this as well have the ability to have a private life that has no bearing on professional behavior as well.
Esme12, ASN, BSN, RN
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What an odd subject for your first post. While one nurse is in a sea of thousands...my response there are sick twisted individuals in every sector of the human race. Anecdotal evidence from random "patient privacy" blogs which attract individuals that like to "talk" sexy things on public forums....is not evidence at all that this is of a concern in nursing.
I have been a nurse for 35 years I have never come across one incident that a nurse was disciplined for sexual misconduct with a patient. Does it happen? Sure but it is not as frequent as you are trying to imply.
I have NEVER seen Mediaography at work...nor any sex toys. Is their potty conversation? Yes. But this is not exclusive to nurses in a hospital setting where girls sit around and giggle like school children when the word member is mentioned in mixed company. If this was reported in a hospital in AZ please post your reference.