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In one thread in this forum, I read where many of you were concerned about the public's view of the nurse's image. One nurse made a statement to the effect that "we have worked long and hard to shed the stereotype of the 'sexy nurse', 'nurse as stripper' image."
However, while Mediaography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.
For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:
"I've seen more body parts than I care to mention...no big deal..."
"I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive."
"You get used to it..."
Etc.
It's clear that nurses can be trained to "get past the nudity" so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.
I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse's professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning "moral turpitude". Still others made statements such as "What we do outside our places of employment is our business..."
Oh, really?
On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it's legal, dont'cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper's safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the "professional" image of nurses in general.
Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: Mercy and Morality.
Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals... some have none at all, it seems. But don't you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?
If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our English word *Mediaography* is the Greek word MediaEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered "prostitution." You are in a sense "prostituting" yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect... just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn't a prostitute do the same thing?)
If a patient recognized the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain't fantasy, myrtle, it's actually happening!) at the hospital, don't you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)
Don't you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?
Here's a post from a thread I recently found:
"I think Media is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at Media. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a 'prude'."
Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing Media to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of Media affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don't know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental "peep show."
Other things such as mentioning member sizes at the nurse's station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient's size if she sees hundreds and "none are impressive"? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn't know, it shouldn't matter, right?
When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with "We are professionals and want to be treated as such." When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, "We are human."
In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?
Looking forward to your feedback and comments!
Thanks...
I haven't had caffeine today so maybe I just don't understand the question. I don't believe in putting nurses or any profession on a pedestal. Should nurses also not use foul language, drink and smoke when off the clock?
I have not heard nurses talking about Media and sex toys. Does sex come up...occasionally but nothing graphic. Nurses have this amazing ability to switch gears and focus. It's why we can eat a cup of tomato soup or anything for that matter and talk about GI bleeds and C Diff. Eat banana pudding and talk about pus filled wounds.
Not once have I felt any sexual way about a patient even when they make dirty comments. If I was so inclined to look at nude pics on my phone of men and then had to give a man a suppository, I could so without issue. I can't speak for ALL nurses but I don't see this as a widespread issue.
Wayment so where are these chicks that are working 3 12s and stripping on their days off? Kudos to them for having the energy.
OP I think this thread is a lot of words for nothing. Like someone else said, you're exaggerating an issue here. If nurses at your job are being inappropriate take it up with HR.
And no, seeing a bunch of memberes does not affect the way I see my patients. You're reaching and this sounds like a bad attempt at chastising female nurses for some preconceived notion that only you feel is noteworthy
My point is how our actions outside the work place can and does affect our relationships within the clinical context. What a nurse thinks about the male patient was but an example of the result of her actions elsewhere. Don't see it as a main problem.
Unless a person's home life can potentially harm the patient (I.e. drug use), I suggest you mind your business.
I am not maligning an honorable and trustworthy profession. I never said that ALL nurses do this or that even a majority do this. Please read the post. My request for feedback was in relation to public perception about the results of the choices we make.If nobody wants to respond that's fair. I am not a troll--in fact, I'd rather have the administrator shut down this thread rather than to continue in fruitless dialogue.
Thanks anyway. I was hoping for some good responses. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.
It's really hard to tell what your intentions were or what type of response you would consider a "good" one because your original post tended to jump all over the place and mixed concepts within paragraphs and asked questions that didn't seem to be related to the subject matter preceding it.
However, you obviously spent a lot of time digging through old threads and composing your first post. You put a few things in quotes that aren't actually quotes, but paraphrasing of separate concepts you gleaned from what you read.
Your reference to patient modesty blogs makes me think you might be one of those few people who truly believes female nurses victimize male patients, as one blog commenter described a bed bath as stripping a man and playing with his genitals. We've had some very long, intense discussions about this here in the past. To be honest when I read them it makes me sad, not mad, because I know that someone is suffering emotional pain as a result of a skewed view of reality in the nursing profession.
When you post on allnurses, you have no control over how people are going to react to it. Most nurses have an ability to catch the gist of someone's inquiry, whether it is openly stated or not, and that is what they respond to. It's not always pretty, but it is honest and a person can learn from that as well.
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Some men think every time a women sees a member they want to ride on it....For many of us that is the last thing on our minds (after cleaning the oven) That's the first thing on a man's mind, they are hard wired to procreate and save the species and most of them find it hard to believe we don't think about it all day long as well.The OP is correct-we have had this discussion a number of times, usually initiated by the very insecure boyfriend or husband or concerned conservative father of a nursing student.
No matter how in touch with her sexuality a woman may be I'm sure when she is in the ER putting in a foley catheter is NOT thinking in terms of sex-she is probably continuing to assess the patient.
As for women who are working their way through school within the sex industry-whatever....I would hope they do it pretty far away from where they plan on living and working. I can't imagine a sick patient looking up and saying "didn't I see you on the pole at Delilah's den last weekend?" Unless he is delirious. What nurse has the time or energy to work another job? Especially one so physically demanding. And,NO-it is not OK for anyone to print our any type of business card and attempt to solicit patients or their family members.THat's just common sense.
I don't have a big problem with the "sexy nurse" stereotype unless a co-worker is unprofessional on the job in their dress or manner. I have worked with a few who came in dressed and ready for a hot night put-the nurse managers took care of them.
IMHO a man who actually believes this crap is the one with the issue.
I can't recall ever looking at a patient/client's genitalia and getting aroused.
I did proposition the anesthesiologist when I got a dose of versed prior to a procedure but I was the patient.
There does come a point in a career that you have seen so many, it is all rather blasé.
I can appreciate pretty in a nice face or a physique but that's about it.
People are sexual beings but we the majority of us know when and where is appropriate.
Good gosh, I can't even imagine a work place where the nurses [female or male] have enough time on their hands to show off their sex toys and talk about their Media stash! I also have a really hard time picturing a health care facility with centerfolds [again, female or male] hanging up in the bathroom. That is just a sexual harassment suit waiting to happen, and no company wants that kind of risk. I am not saying that nurses/strippers don't exist anywhere, but I am fairly certain that they are not common. At least I don't personally know any.
I am a female, heterosexual [not that it should matter] and I certainly don't discuss the size of my male patients genitals, and I find it rather offensive that you [OP] seem to thing that female nurses have such a lack of control. Do you not have similar concerns about male nurses discussing female patients breasts?
I haven't read any replies yet, and I think I'll just stop here before I say something I might regret.
"I am a female, heterosexual [not that it should matter] and I certainly don't discuss the size of my male patients genitals, and I find it rather offensive that you [OP] seem to thing that female nurses have such a lack of control. Do you not have similar concerns about male nurses discussing female patients breasts?"
Thank you for one of the best replies that I have read so far. However, your offense is misplaced due to your misunderstanding my premise.
I never said that nurses have a hard time controlling themselves. For the record, I respect nurses, prefer female nurses, never in my life ever had a problem with any female nurse that has attended to me, think highly of nurses everywhere and will continue to respect this profession. I love you guys, OK? Really, I do. Please forgive my stream-of-consciousness OP as I was writing it very early in the morning.
To distill my original post into a few points... some background...
After my hernia surgery, I wanted some answers to several questions about my surgery and came across this site (thanks to Google). I came across several threads where nurses asked about some *interesting* side lines. Since I have always respected this profession (relative was a nurse) I became concerned on several levels.
Yes, I did come across patient modesty blogs by Maurice Bernstein, MD and Joel Sherman MD, as well as some patient modesty violation blogs. Are they all accurate? Maybe... maybe not. But between what I saw there, and some of what I read here, I began to wonder how some nurses choose to do what they do outside of work and why. And whether those choices affect their view of patients in a clinical setting.
I respect your freedom to pursue whatever you want as long as it does not interfere with your job. OK?
However, what I had a hard time wrapping my head around was how a nurse could view nudity all day and be professional, and then go out and strip or look at Media at night? That is, if...if...if they do. I also wondered how can a nurse who views such material, or chooses a side line which involves prurient activities, go to work and deal with the same body parts and remain professional?
In addition, with a lot of these activities visible on the internet now, I also wondered how these choices could possibly cast the nursing profession in a negative light? Even some were concerned that Scrubs on MTV was showing a little too much nudity in the series and how that would come across to the viewing public.
Since nurses deal with people in their most vulnerable moments, I wondered how some nurses can be so caring during the day, and so daring at night? I know we are human and all have different tastes but the public has a very positive view of nurses based upon the stereotype that has formed over many years. When a few nurses behave in a way that the public thinks is incompatible with their image of the profession, then that is when some start to scratch their heads, I guess. Me included.
Though you beat me up a little, your responses gave me a sense of relief because I know you are protective of your profession and any suggestion that you can't control yourselves is crass, disrespectful, and should be met with righteous indignation. But I never said nurses were. I put into play a few perspectives which were poorly introduced. Forgive me.
Believe it or not, your responses have actually proven what I believed but since I never got to ask nurses I decided to post here.
Thanks for your replies and, no, I did not intend to start anything or "troll" as you guys call it. One other thing: one post stated that my quote was actually not a quote but an amalgam of thoughts put together.
If you search allnurses.com you will indeed find that this is an actual quote made by a nurse in another thread. That is why there were quotes around the block of text, OK?
Forgive me for being a little opaque and I wish you all the best!
Your reference to patient modesty blogs makes me think you might be one of those few people who truly believes female nurses victimize male patients, as one blog commenter described a bed bath as stripping a man and playing with his genitals. We've had some very long, intense discussions about this here in the past. To be honest when I read them it makes me sad, not mad, because I know that someone is suffering emotional pain as a result of a skewed view of reality in the nursing profession.
Nope, no emotional pain as I have never suffered anything at the hands of a nurse--female or otherwise. So, do not be sad as there is no reason to be! I never said that nurses victimized anyone. Please be slow to assume anything. Nothing in this paragraph is even remotely accurate...
Thanks!
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Are you similarly concerned with the effect of nurse attitudes towards female patients? You know, if the male nurse was say, a misogynist, "**** shamer" or the like, and how that could affect his care of his female patients who might not live up to his ideal of female purity? What if this male nurse had a patient who was a stripper (and who by your account is the same as a prostitute), are you concerned about how this could affect the care of this patient, who is as deserving of care and compassion as the virgin in the next room? Do you worry that such judgmental members of the profession might not be able to leave these questionable attitudes at home, and therefore might elicit a negative public impression of male nurses in general? Or is this nurse so rare as to be inconsequential in the big picture?