Of Nursing, Nudity and Public Perception

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In one thread in this forum, I read where many of you were concerned about the public's view of the nurse's image. One nurse made a statement to the effect that "we have worked long and hard to shed the stereotype of the 'sexy nurse', 'nurse as stripper' image."

However, while Mediaography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to be eradicated.

For instance, nurses see and deal with patient nudity all the time. New nurses apprehensive about the specter of seeing naked bodies are met with many reassuring comments such as:

"I've seen more body parts than I care to mention...no big deal..."

"I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive."

"You get used to it..."

Etc.

It's clear that nurses can be trained to "get past the nudity" so to speak and do their job without embarrassment to themselves or to the patient. If they couldn't deal with the nudity, they would be of no value to the patient or to the nursing profession. But I would like input from other nurses about the choices they make both in and outside their places of employment.

I have reference to a thread where nurses asked if it was OK to pose nude. To work as a stripper. To be a dancer at the local club. Instead of warning about the possible damage to the nurse's professional image or emotional health, most of the responses seemed to be more concerned about the BON regs concerning "moral turpitude". Still others made statements such as "What we do outside our places of employment is our business..."

Oh, really?

On one level, you are absolutely correct. If you want to be a stripper (it's legal, dont'cha know) you can be, I guess. The concern was more for the stripper's safety than what damage it could cause emotionally, and the damage it could cause to the "professional" image of nurses in general.

Medicine has always had two components attached to it by public perception: Mercy and Morality.

Nurses enter the field from all kinds of backgrounds. Not all hold the same world view or religious beliefs. Some have high morals... some have none at all, it seems. But don't you think that your view of nudity and your behavior outside of the work place can influence your actions in the workplace?

If a young lady with a beautiful build wants to pose nude for a photographer on the side, what harm can it possibly be to her career, right? If it was just fine and dandy, why go through all of the trouble to hide her second profession? Why the BONs concerns? If it is OK to be a stripper on the side, why not get business cards printed up and hand out to patients when they get better? I chuckled when one response said that stripping was *NOT* equivalent to prostitution. (Funny thing is, the word from which we get our English word *Mediaography* is the Greek word MediaEIA. And if you do a lexical study of the word, stripping and posing nude, indeed, are considered "prostitution." You are in a sense "prostituting" yourself when you have such a low regard for your own privacy as to let anyone see you for prurient purposes. No self respect... just putting it out there for just anybody. Doesn't a prostitute do the same thing?)

If a patient recognized the stripper-nurse (Wait! Is this not the image we are trying to eradicate? This ain't fantasy, myrtle, it's actually happening!) at the hospital, don't you think that if this young lady was tasked with giving him a bed bath that it would set up an awkward environment? Wouldn't it be a little hypocritical to warn the patient about his sexual remarks when she was putting it out there for him just a few days before? I know, I know, she is now a professional and must be treated like one. (Would hate to run afoul of the nurse regs concerning a bed bath, after all.)

Don't you think that our own view of nudity influences how we see the nudity of others?

Here's a post from a thread I recently found:

"I think Media is wrong, wrong, wrong. But I have heard nurses talk about it at the nurses station. Where they keep their movies hidden. Where they put their sex toys. How often their husbands cruise the net looking at Media. One nurse brought her vibrator to work and put in one of the batteries belonging to one of our tele units in the vibrator and showed it off. She also tells these disgusting stories. Not around me anymore of course because I am a 'prude'."

Let me ask the female nurses a question: since there have been reports of female nurses bringing Media to work and being actively involved with it, how does their viewing of Media affect their view of the male patient population? If centerfolds are posted in the staff bathroom (as it was reported to have occurred at a hospital in Arizona) how can these nurses wash their hands and glance at Mr July in all of his glory, and then go and give a full body bed bath to their male patient? Or insert a catheter? Does this not affect how you see the patient? His genitals? His body? Is this fair to him? I don't know of any patient who would want their nurse (whom he is trusting) to see him as a sex object or be the object of a mental "peep show."

Other things such as mentioning member sizes at the nurse's station or in the lounge are, of course, unprofessional. If we are supposed to be professionals in every sense of the word, and we are just fine and dandy with the nudity that happens every day, how can a nurse ever comment on a patient's size if she sees hundreds and "none are impressive"? Seems that some nurses are either still lacking in maturity, or their fascination with the male form is professionally hidden beneath their scrubs. As long as the patient doesn't know, it shouldn't matter, right?

When someone speaks down about nursing, they are met with "We are professionals and want to be treated as such." When they are caught acting unprofessionally, they simply say, "We are human."

In closing, if we want to fight for our rights to do and be anything we want outside of the medical environment, can we really complain when our choices contribute to a negative public perception?

Looking forward to your feedback and comments!

Thanks...

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
Understand where you are coming from but the reality is there is enough of the public who believe that this type of behavior is immoral and would question this kind of behavior.
I can assure you that most facilities would not want thier nurses stripping at the local strip club. Nursing as a whole views this as unprofessional. Has it happened? I am sure it has although I have never known anyone that danced and worked. Nor have I met anyone posing nude frankly we are just too tired.

That being said what a nurse does on her time is her business. I can assure you that the overwhelming majority frown on this and gain no sexual satisfaction from seeing patients naked. Nurses are not sexually depraved individuals gaining sexual satisfaction from taking care of our patients intimate needs. Just like the gynecologist isn't aroused by female patients in their care. It's is usual and customary in our jobs to see peoples most intimate parts.

I am sure I was the one who said....

“I’ve seen more body parts than I care to mention…no big deal...”

“I have seen hundreds of memberes, and they all look the same and none are impressive.”

After 35 years of nursing there isn't much I haven't seen.

As far as I am concerned those blogs are hogwash and made up by people who enjoy saying outrageous things on the internet.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.
I know. But is it in the realm of possibility that her choices would affect her career and the image of what a nurse is?

Choices that we make as humans affect our lives and careers. We have entire forums that address poor choices and nursing but yes they can still be nurses. While it damages that nurses reputation ....does it malign the entire profession in the long run....uhmmm...no.

What is your point again?

Specializes in ER, ICU, Education.

I find it very interesting that the entire, banal discussion is focused on women and their actions. If it is morally wrong for female nurses to be strippers, where is the corollary? There are male nurses and male strippers. Where is your moral outrage for them? Also, wiithout an audience, a stripper or Media star won't have much of an income. Where is your moral outcry towards the male banker who watches her? The married male male accountant who pays for a lap dance? Noticeably absent. I don't want to objectify men or women, so I solve that by not stripping, posing nude, OR financing the undertaking of those activities. If a conversation is not of interest, I walk away.

It is interesting that your user name means "holy spirit," yet your first post focuses on the moral fiber of female nurses. To find a thread that old would require some active searching on your part. If you truly want to change things, advocate for higher salaries for women, more respect for women overall, and more love directed at others vs judgment.

I find it very interesting that the entire, banal discussion is focused on women and their actions. If it is morally wrong for female nurses to be strippers, where is the corollary? There are male nurses and male strippers. Where is your moral outrage for them? Also, wiithout an audience, a stripper or Media star won't have much of an income. Where is your moral outcry towards the male banker who watches her? The married male male accountant who pays for a lap dance? Noticeably absent. I don't want to objectify men or women, so I solve that by not stripping, posing nude, OR financing the undertaking of those activities. If a conversation is not of interest, I walk away.

Bold by me. Yes, indeed, where is the outrage for the patient who would go to a strip club, recognize a stripper as a nurse, and proceed to judge her for that, all the while he is grasping for his wad of dollar bills? Do we REALLY care if a handful of nurses amongst millions of nurses strip, and that an ever fewer number of hypocritical individuals (past or future patients) might recognize them and think badly of nurses in general? !

This whole "issue" is a non issue.

OP, what’s the reason for your interest in the behavior and sexuality of female nurses? Why aren’t you equally concerned about the behavior of male nurses? I have to say, the public perception of a nurse’s image has never been a problem for me.

However, while Mediaography can desecrate any profession and make it fodder for sexual fantasy, many nurses are sowing the seed to their own destruction. It appears many nurses are directly contributing to the very image that they themselves want to

be eradicated.

I don’t view the nursing profession as “sacred”, or nurses as saints. Neither do I agree with the statement that “many nurses are sowing seeds of their own destruction”. I feel that this entire line of reasoning has a very musty smell to it.

For the record, I respect nurses, prefer female nurses, never in my life ever had a problem with any female nurse that has attended to me, think highly of nurses everywhere and will continue to respect this profession. I love you guys, OK? Really, I do.

If this is your personal experience then why on earth are you so concerned by the possibility that there might be a nurse or two (I’ve yet to meet one) out there who moonlights as a stripper? How did you go from being a person who was happy with the care they received during surgery to reading patient modesty violation blogs?

This just doesn’t make sense to me.

However, what I had a hard time wrapping my head around was how a nurse could view nudity all day and be professional, and then go out and strip or look at Media at night?

Frankly, I think that you devote entirely too much time worrying about this non-issue.

If a nurse actually did this, the very obvious difference between the two activities is context. Do you think that every nurse has a problem separating her sex life from the nudity she encounters at work, or does the problem of separation only occur when the nurse engages in sexual activity in her private life that you feel is improper?

I respect and understand that a patient may both be and feel very vulnerable. I think that as a nurse, one of my most important responsibilities is to protect my patients’ integrity and autonomy. Integrity and autonomy are essential for the wellbeing of an individual. However, I feel that making “the member” the single, narrow focus of discussion detracts from the importance of this issue.

Specializes in Emergency, Telemetry, Transplant.

I have read most comments on this threat, and, I must say, that I'm not sure that I understand the point of the thread. However, I will comment anyway. ;)

Obviously we know that state (all states?) nurse practice acts include something about morality. How specific they about what constitutes "immoral" I'm not sure, and I really don't have the energy to look them up right now. The problem for me is that what constitutes "immoral" behavior is going to vary from person to person. Stripping (etymology aside, I do not look at it as prostitution)? For me, this borders on immoral, others see no problem with it, for others it is clearly immoral.

Now what about fornication? What if a nurse goes out on a Saturday night to a bar dressed in a somewhat revealing outfit? He/she (gender intentionally not specified, since it should not matter) wants to find someone to have sex with. Suppose that nurse is successful finding that "roll in the hay." Does anyone have a problem with this? Sure, many consider this immoral, but does this make that nurse unfit for practice? Can they not provide good care? Can they not go in a perform a straight cath in a professional manner? Is someone willing to say that a single person should not be allowed to have sex…otherwise he/she cannot hold a nursing license since his/her behavior was deemed "immoral" by someone? (For the record, there is no doubt in my mind that said person can be a great nurse!)

Just because a nurse does not discuss Media at work does not mean that don't watch every night after work. What if it is found out that he/she does watch Media regularly? Does that mean he/she cannot objectively, professionally do his/her duties? In his/her private life, he/she is excited by looking at the genitals of stranger…do we take that to mean he/she cannot look at a patient's genitals without being excited?

Finally, there might be discussions out there on AN about taking about Media or sex toys in the nurses station. There might be a discussion about the centerfold hanging in the staff bathroom. I am certainly not naive enough to think that just because that doesn't happen at my job that it never happens anywhere. However, just because these threads are the "loudest" and attract a lot of comments, it does not mean that this is the norm in nurses stations around the country.

hagiospneuma said:
Understand where you are coming from but the reality is there is enough of the public who believe that this type of behavior is immoral and would question this kind of behavior.

So what? There's plenty of people that think being gay is immoral. I'm not joining the Phelps family and protesting funerals with "God hates ****" signs to make them happy just because I'm a nurse.

I'm a professional when I'm being paid to be. When I represent myself as a nurse, I'm professional. When I'm on my own time, doing whatever it may be, I'll do whatever I please. I'll drink. I'll screw my husband.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

In my long career, I've only worked with one nurse who sexualized patients. He's gone now, moved on to become a nurse practitioner, and I sincerely hope I never encounter him again.

The posts on AN from nurses who are strippers or who want to be strippers (or in one case, a "go go dancer," although I'm not sure the poster knew exactly what a go go dancer looks like) are rare in the extreme. Considering how many members there are on AN, that probably says something about the prevalence of go go dancing nurses.

I have never seen or heard of centerfolds, either male or female, on hospital property. I don't think that's an issue at all. I just don't get the concern.

Specializes in Cardiology, Cardiothoracic Surgical.

This humors me deeply. Unless you are a straight female, and happen to work on, let's say, an ortho floor that is magically full of an entire extremely attractive professional sports team's worth of injuries, I don't predict the OP's scenarios coming true any time soon. I also can't imagine a workplace where women would be that open about their personal lives, but that's just me.

How do we deal with it? It's called compartmentalization. As professionals, most of us are looking at getting our patient better and focusing on the plan of care, not how hot they are. The patient's member, independent of successful urination or potential skin breakdown, is probably the last body part I will ever care about as a nurse.

Specializes in LTC,Hospice/palliative care,acute care.
"So how does it hurt our image if some nurses choose to supplement their income by stripping, posing nude, whatever?

Thanks... you just validated my whole argument--though it was poorly expressed.

The public's image of a nurse is one of a caring professional--not a stripper or dancer. .

The public's image of a teacher or priest is that of a caring professional and we have all heard what happens in some classrooms and churches.

Let me tell you what I am seeing in my mind's eye----a milquetoast man whose mother was an Annie Wilkes or worse- a Nurse Ratched who scrubbed his little winkie with bleach and a fingernail brush every night? Over and out....

Specializes in Pediatrics, Emergency, Trauma.
I wondered how far into the thread someone was finally going to post what I was thinking before I finished reading the first post.

Ah...but it's so much better to let them dig a deeper hole though...:whistling:

Trust me...my face during the OP's posts ----> :sarcastic:

However, what I had a hard time wrapping my head around was how a nurse could view nudity all day and be professional, and then go out and strip or look at Media at night? That is, if...if...if they do. I also wondered how can a nurse who views such material, or chooses a side line which involves prurient activities, go to work and deal with the same body parts and remain professional?

I think when I was pregnant more than once I wondered if being a gynecologist ruined lady partss for my Male OBGYN. Then I realized how silly it was to think that because I have seen plenty of men and never ONCE have I thought of that when thinking about or having sex with my husband.

Since nurses deal with people in their most vulnerable moments, I wondered how some nurses can be so caring during the day, and so daring at night? :jester: I know we are human and all have different tastes but the public has a very positive view of nurses based upon the stereotype that has formed over many years. When a few nurses behave in a way that the public thinks is incompatible with their image of the profession, then that is when some start to scratch their heads, I guess. Me included.

Oh my God! Women like sex? They like to feel sexy? Good God I hope this question can show a few nurses how broken sex education is in this country. The shame and taboo of sex is ridiculous, and we perpetuate the shame everyday. Why is the US so damn uncomfortable with the idea of sex? We can't even nurse our babies in public without it being somehow sexual in nature (though that is starting to change).

It is sad because there have been other threads where a spouse is extremely uncomfortable with their SO being a nurse and seeing other naked people. It would be easy to shame this person for being immature, but are we really teaching kids any better?

And to clarify what I think a nurse should do with their down time--whatever the hell they want. I highly doubt they are using a nurse persona in their strip tease/Media shoot, because people DO want respect in our profession. Would a nurse be disrespecting her profession if he/she films a naughty movie with their SO?

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