"Not sure what unit you will be hired into..."

[TitaniumPlates]

So this just happened to my best friend.

Jane has been looking to relocate back to her hometown after 3 years in the ICU at a major teaching hospital. She also has 3 years in a level 1 trauma ER.

She interviewed over the phone for a position that was POSTED AS ICU about a month ago. She was immediately asked for her references, which made her feel pretty confident that she would be hired. She told me that during the interview, she asked about how many slots were open, and was told "4".

Well, apparently, the Nurse Manager has written her half a dozen emails regarding her references not answering yet. Its been a week.

That isn't my main problem with this situation. It seems that the Nurse Manager has now changed the job description to....

You will relocate across the country, go through all of our "orientation" (she will not be specific on what that orientation entails) and then one of our educators will decide what unit you will be "eligible" for.

She also told Jane that there are "a dozen or more" nurses starting in a month and there is no way she could possibly give Jane an idea of which unit has openings.

Jane called me and told me all of this nonsense...and I advised her to tell the Nurse Manager to.....well.....file that job under....Uh....NO WAY.

This isn't the first time I have been hearing about this bait and switch in the past year. It's happened to me twice and I wasn't kind about telling the facility to take that job and....

Has this happened to anyone else lately? Is this the new trend in trying to cover the garbage shifts and positions that no one can fill? These positions are outright LIES and they want the highest qualified (3 yr ICU RN) for what....med surg???

[Orion81RN]

5 hours ago, TitaniumPlates said:

Yes...she does know the "situation of the candidate". This is what an interview is for.

The position stated "ICU RN" opening. Not "oh...we'll decide after you relocate and do orientation to some unknown unit...and then...maybe sort of decide if you can stay ICU or whatever..."

The lie is the "ICU RN" post.

The lie is that there were 4 openings (in actuality, there were "over a dozen")

The lie is that manager "has no idea what unit" my friend is to be hired and oriented to.

What about this is truthful or unfair of us to expect a straight answer?

Literally NOBODY is disagreeing that it's bogus to do what she is doing. So are you done with your temper tantrums? When more than a few people find your wording offensive, I'd say it's time to do a self check and ask if maybe it SHOULD be worded differently.

You threw out a personal jab, telling posters to learn some "reading comprehension." I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt that it was perhaps just poorly worded. But your further posts have left no room for doubt that yes, you look down on med-surg nurses.

[Orion81RN]

4 hours ago, TitaniumPlates said:

Sigh. I will explain this one more time.

The posting was for ICU NURSE. PERIOD.

The interviewer asked her why she wanted to relocate to the east coast from the west coast. ERGO---the interviewer knew that she wanted to move closer to her family. This is not an "illegal question" which is truly ignorant of you to state.

Any job I've ever been up for that would have me move cross country (i've done this 4 times) or even across states---THEY ASK YOU WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT FAR. It's because they want to know how serious you are about moving.. Do you have ties? Are you just looking and wasting their time?

does this clear things up for you?

THE JOB WAS POSTED AS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

THE JOB WAS POSTED AS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

SHE WAS INTERVIEWED UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT THIS WAS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

Any further clarification needed? Good lord almighty.

THE. JOB. WAS. POSTED. AS. AN. ICU. POSITION.

THEN the RN Mgr, once she had interviewed with my friend---and asked for references---and had her sign forms to get her background check---the Manager dropped it on her that it was "UNKNOWN" what unit my friend would orient into.

Do you get it?

She wanted my friend to RELOCATE 3000 miles for a job that was POSTED as ICU, only to be told that it was "actually unknown" and that "a dozen others" were also "orienting into the unknown" and they would choose after an educator decided in 3 months---what unit she would be assigned to.

DO YOU GET IT?

Is anybody FORCING your friend to move for this uncertain job? No? Was she told BEFORE accepting the position and moving that it may not be in the advertised unit? Yes. She did not move, start a position, and then have a bait and switch. Her time was wasted by having an interview. Period. Geeze, get over it.

[StrwbryblndRN]

5 hours ago, tropsnegRN said:

Are you sure that the place doesn't have multiple ICUs? My hospital, which is a smaller hospital has 3 separate ICU units: MICU, SICU, CCU. My best friend works for a much larger hospital who has even more than that: Neuro ICU, STICU, MICU, SICU, Neonatal ICU, etc. etc. Did your friend try to get additional information about the orientation and what type of units? I don't understand the amount of hostility within this post.

That is the impression I got from the first post. Unknown unit would mean one of multiple ICU's. Still RN ICU position but which unit is unknown.

[blue'smom]

It seems like instead of yelling at us about our reading comprehension (while still seemingly wanting our validation ?), you should look at your IP. If so many are misunderstanding and taking offense, it is because it lacks clarity and the way the words are strung together that offends. Plus, you are truly being obtuse by ignoring and minimizing the offense you wrote about med surg. Trying to spotlight your friend's situation by offending another isn't the way to go about it.

[ThatChickOmi, ADN, RN]

That escalated quickly.

[egg122 NP, MSN, APRN]

Generally when trying to get people to see your point, how you say it can have more influence than what you say. People tend to shut down when they perceive communication to be belittling, angry or negative. Just some food for thought.

15 hours ago, TitaniumPlates said:

Sigh. I will explain this one more time.

The posting was for ICU NURSE. PERIOD.

The interviewer asked her why she wanted to relocate to the east coast from the west coast. ERGO---the interviewer knew that she wanted to move closer to her family. This is not an "illegal question" which is truly ignorant of you to state.

Any job I've ever been up for that would have me move cross country (i've done this 4 times) or even across states---THEY ASK YOU WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT FAR. It's because they want to know how serious you are about moving.. Do you have ties? Are you just looking and wasting their time?

does this clear things up for you?

THE JOB WAS POSTED AS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

THE JOB WAS POSTED AS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

SHE WAS INTERVIEWED UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT THIS WAS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

Any further clarification needed? Good lord almighty.

THE. JOB. WAS. POSTED. AS. AN. ICU. POSITION.

THEN the RN Mgr, once she had interviewed with my friend---and asked for references---and had her sign forms to get her background check---the Manager dropped it on her that it was "UNKNOWN" what unit my friend would orient into.

Do you get it?

She wanted my friend to RELOCATE 3000 miles for a job that was POSTED as ICU, only to be told that it was "actually unknown" and that "a dozen others" were also "orienting into the unknown" and they would choose after an educator decided in 3 months---what unit she would be assigned to.

[Jedrnurse, BSN, RN]

3 hours ago, ThatChickOmi said:

That escalated quickly.

It sure did. Is it my imagination, or is this phenomenon becoming more and more common on the site?

[Nurse SMS, MSN, RN]

I would not accept any job under those conditions, particularly one in which I would have to relocate, unless I were in pretty dire straits and had no other options.

[Ruby Vee, BSN]

20 hours ago, TitaniumPlates said:

Again. Did I say it was a garbage position?

No. I said....this is garbage that a nurse manager is posting positions as ICU, expecting highly specialized ICU nurses to be hired and then switching to....oh...I have no idea what you will be doing.

Reading comprehension.

If the nurse manager wasn't embarrassed about the positions actually needing to be filled .. then why lie?

That alone should insult the highly specialized med surg nurse.

What you said is this:

"Is this the new trend in trying to cover the garbage shifts and positions that no one can fill? These positions are outright LIES and they want the highest qualified (3 yr ICU RN) for what....med surg???"

You did indeed call Med/Surg a "garbage position." That's disrespectful, and your responses since then have not included admitting what you said and expressing remorse. I realize that this is just a nursing forum and not a nursing JOB, but I have some concerns about your integrity. And your ability to get along with others.

"Reading comprehension." Unnecessary snark.

I get being upset on your friend's behalf about the "bait and switch" tactics. But there is no need to disrespect your fellow nurses as you did in your first post, and then when you're called out on it, get all snarky.

[Ruby Vee, BSN]

16 hours ago, TitaniumPlates said:

Sigh. I will explain this one more time.

The posting was for ICU NURSE. PERIOD.

The interviewer asked her why she wanted to relocate to the east coast from the west coast. ERGO---the interviewer knew that she wanted to move closer to her family. This is not an "illegal question" which is truly ignorant of you to state.

Any job I've ever been up for that would have me move cross country (i've done this 4 times) or even across states---THEY ASK YOU WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO MOVE THAT FAR. It's because they want to know how serious you are about moving.. Do you have ties? Are you just looking and wasting their time?

does this clear things up for you?

THE JOB WAS POSTED AS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

THE JOB WAS POSTED AS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

SHE WAS INTERVIEWED UNDER THE PRETENSE THAT THIS WAS AN ICU NURSE POSITION.

Any further clarification needed? Good lord almighty.

THE. JOB. WAS. POSTED. AS. AN. ICU. POSITION.

THEN the RN Mgr, once she had interviewed with my friend---and asked for references---and had her sign forms to get her background check---the Manager dropped it on her that it was "UNKNOWN" what unit my friend would orient into.

Do you get it?

She wanted my friend to RELOCATE 3000 miles for a job that was POSTED as ICU, only to be told that it was "actually unknown" and that "a dozen others" were also "orienting into the unknown" and they would choose after an educator decided in 3 months---what unit she would be assigned to.

DO YOU GET IT?

Good Lord Almighty! And you're accusing OTHERS of getting their panties in a twist. No need to get so nasty.

[Ruby Vee, BSN]

37 minutes ago, Jedrnurse said:

It sure did. Is it my imagination, or is this phenomenon becoming more and more common on the site?

Not your imagination.

[ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP]

Oh wonderful. Another snotty ED nurse who looks down on med-surg. As if we don't already have enough of those...