Jane has been looking to relocate back to her hometown after 3 years in the ICU at a major teaching hospital. She also has 3 years in a level 1 trauma ER.
She interviewed over the phone for a position that was POSTED AS ICU about a month ago. She was immediately asked for her references, which made her feel pretty confident that she would be hired. She told me that during the interview, she asked about how many slots were open, and was told "4".
Well, apparently, the Nurse Manager has written her half a dozen emails regarding her references not answering yet. Its been a week.
That isn't my main problem with this situation. It seems that the Nurse Manager has now changed the job description to....
You will relocate across the country, go through all of our "orientation" (she will not be specific on what that orientation entails) and then one of our educators will decide what unit you will be "eligible" for.
She also told Jane that there are "a dozen or more" nurses starting in a month and there is no way she could possibly give Jane an idea of which unit has openings.
Jane called me and told me all of this nonsense...and I advised her to tell the Nurse Manager to.....well.....file that job under....Uh....NO WAY.
This isn't the first time I have been hearing about this bait and switch in the past year. It's happened to me twice and I wasn't kind about telling the facility to take that job and....
Has this happened to anyone else lately? Is this the new trend in trying to cover the garbage shifts and positions that no one can fill? These positions are outright LIES and they want the highest qualified (3 yr ICU RN) for what....med surg???
People just have to assume they will be screwed. If everyone insisted on a written contract, this kind of crap wouldn't be happening to the extent that it is. HR would take RN's more seriously if they had to deliver the job in writing.
Actually, I was offered a position in writing at a legitimate organization and they rescinded the offer with no reasonable explanations. I had passed all of the interviews, drug tests, recommendation checks and everything before they gave me the offer letter. I assume that someone who was better connected decided they wanted the job, so they dropped me.
Actually, I was offered a position in writing at a legitimate organization and they rescinded the offer with no reasonable explanations. I had passed all of the interviews, drug tests, recommendation checks and everything before they gave me the offer letter. I assume that someone who was better connected decided they wanted the job, so they dropped me.
It happens. I had an interview once and the DON said it was the best interview she had ever had in her career. I did not get the job.. Getting wiser all the time and don't believe half what I am told anymore.
This entire thread is... interesting. Too much pride and ruffled feathers, meg/surg RN's being offended by someone possibly talking bad about their specialty, RN managers now offended some people have talked bad about them, and other specialties chiming in being offended by someone/something said by someone here.
My only questions is this; are people as easily offended by what people say at their jobs as they are on this forum?
People say awful things all the time, both in person to us during our shift and by those of us we meet daily. Unfortunately stuff like that is just a fact of life, and if someone on this website thinks their chosen specialty is somehow superior to all others and they have an ego, let them. If someone feels other specialties are inferior and only their chosen 'elite' specialty is worthy of discussion, let them. In the grand scheme of things you are still employed, still getting paid, and still working hard in your chosen field. Let other's have their ego. I've been around some people whose ego was shattered, and believe me those people are not fun to be around. Just like a kitchen fire, they will burn anyone around you before they eventually burn out.
This entire thread is... interesting. Too much pride and ruffled feathers, meg/surg RN's being offended by someone possibly talking bad about their specialty, RN managers now offended some people have talked bad about them, and other specialties chiming in being offended by someone/something said by someone here.
I agree, it seems there is a lot of being offended these days. Myself? I'm humble. There will always be someone who knows more than I do and I'm not afraid to say so, we all got our issues. Pride goeth before the fall, it is said.
Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU.
8 hours ago, Xance said:
This entire thread is... interesting. Too much pride and ruffled feathers, meg/surg RN's being offended by someone possibly talking bad about their specialty, RN managers now offended some people have talked bad about them, and other specialties chiming in being offended by someone/something said by someone here.
My only questions is this; are people as easily offended by what people say at their jobs as they are on this forum?
People say awful things all the time, both in person to us during our shift and by those of us we meet daily. Unfortunately stuff like that is just a fact of life, and if someone on this website thinks their chosen specialty is somehow superior to all others and they have an ego, let them. If someone feels other specialties are inferior and only their chosen 'elite' specialty is worthy of discussion, let them. In the grand scheme of things you are still employed, still getting paid, and still working hard in your chosen field. Let other's have their ego. I've been around some people whose ego was shattered, and believe me those people are not fun to be around. Just like a kitchen fire, they will burn anyone around you before they eventually burn out.
I don't disagree with your last paragraph at all, it is spot on.
However just because someone, such as a nurse manager, responded to the thread doesn't mean that they are offended. Just because others have pointed out that the OP appeared to have come across a certain way in their writing, doesn't mean they were offended.
The very reason med/surg/tele repulses me is the staffing. I'm not stepping foot onto a med-surg unit with ratios of > 5. It has nothing to do with the type of nursing. I'd love med-surg. The ratios...forget it. I'm simply not doing it. (Not that I have choice since I don't have my BSN, but still. It's principle lol.) When I get my BSN, if nothing has changed, I'm not applying to understaffed units. I'll stick with outpatient, private duty, home health... It's a shame bc I think I'd be a great acute care nurse.
And I bet you would be great since you do great at outpatient, private duty, home health... It's really a shame...
Actually, I was offered a position in writing at a legitimate organization and they rescinded the offer with no reasonable explanations. I had passed all of the interviews, drug tests, recommendation checks and everything before they gave me the offer letter. I assume that someone who was better connected decided they wanted the job, so they dropped me.
And that is terrible to treat you like that, but that is different than accepting a job, starting the job, and THEN finding out your pay wasnt as promised. You had not received and signed a contract , which should become the standard acceptable practice.
I believe this was mostly due to manning issues and for some reason HR thought it was best to keep the applicant in the dark. Be that from a workload standpoint, or simply apathy the applicant was kept in the dark about a position. The real issue to me comes from a written offer letter AND THEN they deviate from it. That happened to me only once, but it was certainly a surprise when that happened although I could not back out of it as it was too late (I was in Navy boot camp, so my *** was already government property).
Your have a few options I think. First; accept their altered offer as is. Second; attempt to renegotiate and possibly lose that job. Third; not take the position at all and search elsewhere. Only you can decide if that location was really what you desired and you don't want to start a job search over. But know this; it's easier to take a little extra time to find what you really want than it is to work there for a little while and quit, only to start over.
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Actually, I was offered a position in writing at a legitimate organization and they rescinded the offer with no reasonable explanations. I had passed all of the interviews, drug tests, recommendation checks and everything before they gave me the offer letter. I assume that someone who was better connected decided they wanted the job, so they dropped me.