Nazi-esque Black Lives Matter Protesters

HiddencatBSN, BSN · Aug 28, 2020

10 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

How do you know he supported Trump? Did he wear a MAGA hat? Is he registered to vote? Quit making assumptions? Did you see somebody throw anything at him or speak to him or are you making up your facts as you go along?

Goodness. If the right aren’t making excuses for him they’re denying his very clearly expressed political beliefs.

Rill · Aug 28, 2020

7 hours ago, DannyBoy8 said:

How to ensure that any cognating adult doesn't take your topic or opinions seriously.....start comparing anything short of genocide to Nazi Germany.

Don't even have to wait for 10 or 15 posts for Godwin's law to ring true these days.

Oh, really? Then what's with America's immigrant detention camps [for brown poc]?

HiddencatBSN, BSN · Aug 28, 2020

13 hours ago, FNP2B1 said:

When you get in somebody's face and demand they give you the salute you want or else, well.....call me crazy but thats banning free speech at a minimum. Capitalism is why you have a computer to type upon. Go to Venezuela if you don't like capitalism and let me know how much you like socialism.

Human innovation isn’t limited to capitalism, otherwise we wouldn’t have anything as capitalism hasn’t always existed.

If you don’t like BLM why don’t you just move to a country where there aren’t BLM activists? Sounds really stupid when rephrased like that doesn’t it?

OUxPhys, BSN, RN · Aug 28, 2020

21 hours ago, Rill said:

Yeah, but who exactly do you think is looting the mom and pop stores? I can say right now, that it's not the people who are trying to ensure that small business can succeed now and in the future (read: BLM and other social justice activist "groups").

This election has no hope of getting the "right people" in, but we can try to avoid an corporate, fascist dictatorship.

The "thicker skin" is a very widespread idea both in medicine and in general social expectation.

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-we-fail-black-patients-pain

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4843483/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448154/

As well as these, there's also the issue that outpatients of color are less likely to get the same dosages and amounts of painkillers and medicine, due to the idea that they'll sell them off [which, note: ties between racial bias and classism. If you're selling your medicine, you need the money. If you're selling it for drugs, you probably need those drugs to get through your current situation].

That may well be but it still doesn't change people's perception. If BLM wants to get their message across they need to speak up against the rioters/looters.

OK. I never said it didn't exist, just said that I haven't been taught that and I haven't experienced what you described. In fairness there are plenty of pt's regardless of color who's pain isn't properly controlled because of the opioid epidemic.

Rill · Aug 28, 2020

8 minutes ago, OUxPhys said:

That may well be but it still doesn't change people's perception. If BLM wants to get their message across they need to speak up against the rioters/looters.

OK. I never said it didn't exist, just said that I haven't been taught that and I haven't experienced what you described. In fairness there are plenty of pt's regardless of color who's pain isn't properly controlled because of the opioid epidemic.

BLM protesters speak up against rioters and looters quite literally all the time. However, you need to understand that BLM isn't an organization. There are BLM protesters who are entirely against rioting because they know it means whites will use it to discredit them, and there are BLM protesters who are angry about the situation in the US [their mistreatment judicially and socially, redlining, our corporatism, etc]. I haven't seen any of them, on BLM Twitter, instagram, snap, tumblr, IRL, anywhere, supportive of looting or burning mom and pop businesses. Again, they want such businesses to succeed. BLM supporters and protesters very much trend anti-corporation, pro-mom and pop. If you see people burning down and looting mom and pop shops, it's usually white instigators trying to discredit the movement or just get more items & money.

Your second statement is semi-fair, if you're not yet in the medical field or working in a very suburban and white area where you wouldn't typically see such patients [redlining and classism]. Typically when it's not poc pts who aren't receiving, it's by far most often classism playing in. That, or medical professionals who disapprove of people's life choices. Either several or a few years back there was a semi-viral reddit thread full of physicians debating it [their pts life choices and how they thus respond differently, typically in terms of women's personal choices w/ labor. One of the quotes that I'll never forget was something like "if they ask for that I always make sure to do [x]" (that specifically in terms of pregnant women) and it was so messed up].

ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP · Aug 28, 2020

Man we have a lot of ignorant people on allnurses. SMH.

Subee2, BSN, MSN, CRNA · Aug 28, 2020

On 8/26/2020 at 3:14 PM, Daisy4RN said:

Here is some more "rude" behavior by BLM. Pretty clear they have a bigger agenda than actually caring about black lives. Many black people have lost their lives, businesses etc while they continue their riots with zero regard for those black lives.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/25/watch-kenosha-rioters-beat-an-elderly-man-unconscious-for-attempting-to-protect-his-business-n2575046

https://www.lawofficer.com/BLM-protesters-shoot-at-black-officer-at-home

And since the police aren't able to do much right now bc they are either spread too far by budget cuts (ie defund the police) and/or told to stand down by their Dem leadership this is what happens.

https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/08/26/two-rioters-dead-after-armed-vigilantes-show-up-to-face-down-violent-extremists-in-wisconsin-964609

So while Rome is burning the Dems defund police and want to limit gun rights for people to protect themselves. And of course these 2 will probably end up in jail for trying to protect themselves/their property. Just like the St Louis couple now have charges for even having/pointing a gun at rioters.

Good Dem policies!!

Wonder what the goal is here??

The only city that has defunded their police is Camden, NJ awhile back. Then they re-funded a new police department from the ground up and it has been a change for the better. "Defund" doesn't mean taking all the money away from policing but reallocation of funds to provide a different set of services with people trained in other fields. And I've also seen the footage of the lawyers in St. Louis. No one was when on their grass. They are just a couple of nuts as they proved in their RNC speech. They are awful people who only added the imprimatur of an affair that seemed more like a recruitment for the Hitler Youth Group. I have absolutely no problem with getting the criminals in these groups off the streets but have no idea how to do it without creating more chaos.

DannyBoy8, RN · Aug 28, 2020

5 hours ago, Rill said:

Oh, really? Then what's with America's immigrant detention camps [for brown poc]?

Far cry from a continental system of death camps that killed off 6,000,000 Jews. We have about 30,000 immigrants in some level of detention at any given time - sans gas chambers. We probably agree on more than your triggered mind can fathom at this point in time, but comparing the border crisis, or any Trumpesque controversy for that matter, to Nazi Germany is completely ludicrous and just drives moderately minded voters away from the blue ticket.

You should read that as, "The only voters who matter (working class people in PA, MI, WI, VA, AZ, etc.) - as they will decide this election, just like in 2016 - have grown weary of rebel rousing rhetoric and bombastic sentiment when it comes to the 'issues'".

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2020

We should definitely be cautious of underestimating authoritarians with unchecked power. This country is no different in that regard. Powerful people lacking ethical, moral or legal restraint can be capable of some pretty heinous things, even in this country. We've already seen a couple of alarming actions.

Death is death, how the authoritarian and unsympathetic leader accomplishes the deaths may be more of a side issue, in my view.

guest416560 · Aug 28, 2020

Death is death, how the authoritarian and unsympathetic leader accomplishes the deaths may be more of a side issue, in my view

Epstein didn't kill himself. Are you referencing the Clintons perhaps? How many people have died that had associations with the Clintons? Hmmm

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2020

31 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

Death is death, how the authoritarian and unsympathetic leader accomplishes the deaths may be more of a side issue, in my view

Epstein didn't kill himself. Are you referencing the Clintons perhaps? How many people have died that had associations with the Clintons? Hmmm

The Clinton's were in charge of the prison system that Epstein died in? LOL

We can always count on a deflection to the Clinton's, can't we? Since we're off topic anyway, what did you make of the fact that no former republican president or presidential candidate would speak for the current republican leader? That's a pretty meaningful public spurning, right? Maybe that's why so many family and appointees had to speak.

jobellestarr · Aug 28, 2020

Are you posting this as a public health concern or why is this on a nursing chat room?