Nazi-esque Black Lives Matter Protesters

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2020

1 minute ago, jobellestarr said:

Are you posting this as a public health concern or why is this on a nursing chat room?

To be fair, this is the political club in the breakroom. It is a ridiculous post, but allowed.

emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B · Aug 28, 2020

On 8/26/2020 at 12:41 PM, FNP2B1 said:

Forcing anybody to believe in something that they don't resembles the tactics used by the Nazis. This type of behavior is disgusting. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've yet to see a conservative group accost patrons enjoying a meal.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/BLM-dc-protesters-berate-diners-demand-they-raise-their-fists-in-viral-videos

Going all the way back to the start of this thread, I’m still not understanding the linkage between the rightwing fascist nazi party & the leftwing BLM movement. One was a political party with a platform to gain control of the government while the other is a movement that espouses equal & fair treatment for people of color.

jobellestarr · Aug 28, 2020

19 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

To be fair, this is the political club in the breakroom. It is a ridiculous post, but allowed.

Well, if you are a moderator, this is very disappointing. I come here for the one public forum where we can not discuss politics and stick to nursing. I don’t want to believe there is so much hate amongst nurses.

DannyBoy8, RN · Aug 28, 2020

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Home Health Columnist / Guide · Aug 28, 2020

13 minutes ago, jobellestarr said:

I come here for the one public forum where we can not discuss politics and stick to nursing. I don’t want to believe there is so much hate amongst nurses.

This is the Breakroom section of allnurses, Politics forum. There are several other breakroom forums available. AN's Coffee Lounge with lighthearted threads might interest you; tea totallers welcome!

DannyBoy8, RN · Aug 28, 2020

1 hour ago, toomuchbaloney said:

We should definitely be cautious of underestimating authoritarians with unchecked power. This country is no different in that regard. Powerful people lacking ethical, moral or legal restraint can be capable of some pretty heinous things, even in this country. We've already seen a couple of alarming actions.

Death is death, how the authoritarian and unsympathetic leader accomplishes the deaths may be more of a side issue, in my view.

Donald Trump does not have unchecked power. The courts have undermined him many times over; including justices that he put into place himself.

To be clear, the OP was comparing BLM to Nazism, which I was saying was ridiculous. Someone obviously didn't read the thread in full and misunderstood the context of my post and brought up immigrant detention camps as a misdirected counterpoint.

You're now mildly hinting at authoritarianism with Trump in your reply. Not where I was going, but what 'things' have occurred that would warrant a legitimate and logically sound equation of Donald Trump to Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Milosevic, Mao, Stalin, or Hussein? To quantify their horrific efforts; this group is responsible for the state sponsored deaths of 30,000,000 innocent lives. Again, lots of problems along the border that need fixing, but even a whisper of comparison to awful dictators on the basis of 30,000 detainees is complete delusion.

The manner and means of oppression is never a side issue, because the ends never justify the means. That is to say, the means are incredibly important - particularly when someone is hinting at a comparison between a controversial President and the worst genocidaires the world has ever seen. - as the person who replied to my initial post did.

DannyBoy8, RN · Aug 28, 2020

56 minutes ago, emtb2rn said:

Going all the way back to the start of this thread, I’m still not understanding the linkage between the rightwing fascist nazi party & the leftwing BLM movement. One was a political party with a platform to gain control of the government while the other is a movement that espouses equal & fair treatment for people of color.

There is no link, the OP was making a ridiculous comparison.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2020

34 minutes ago, DannyBoy8 said:

Donald Trump does not have unchecked power. The courts have undermined him many times over; including justices that he put into place himself.

To be clear, the OP was comparing BLM to Nazism, which I was saying was ridiculous. Someone obviously didn't read the thread in full and misunderstood the context of my post and brought up immigrant detention camps as a misdirected counterpoint.

You're now mildly hinting at authoritarianism with Trump in your reply. Not where I was going, but what 'things' have occurred that would warrant a legitimate and logically sound equation of Donald Trump to Hitler, Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Milosevic, Mao, Stalin, or Hussein? To quantify their horrific efforts; this group is responsible for the state sponsored deaths of 30,000,000 innocent lives. Again, lots of problems along the border that need fixing, but even a whisper of comparison to awful dictators on the basis of 30,000 detainees is complete delusion.

The manner and means of oppression is never a side issue, because the ends never justify the means. That is to say, the means are incredibly important - particularly when someone is hinting at a comparison between a controversial President and the worst genocidaires the world has ever seen. - as the person who replied to my initial post did.

We haven't actually witnessed any meaningful checks on the Trump administration. Children are still cruelly separated unnecessarily at our border, court rulings are ignored, laws are ignored, protocol is ignored, and we were informed by the Senate that if it's good for Trump it's probably good for the country. Let's see, Trump broke campaign finance laws and continues to personally profit directly from his actions as president while employing family members and grifting hotel bookings from friends and foes. Trump has no regard for the law, never has, really. He breaks the law and plays the lawyer/court game...always has.

I didn't mention any names or make any direct comparisons to despots. Yes I did assert that Trump is an authoritarian because that is exactly what his "only I (Trump) can save you" IS...it's in the play book of authoritarians leaders.

I'm not concerned about whispers, I'm watching the cruel and uncaring policy of an authoritarian. This president doesn't seem to grasp that strong federal leadership in March and April might have prevented tens of thousands of deaths. Because the authoritarian knows more than the doctors...he has a tremendous brain, a stable genius really... we're counting covid deaths as fast as we can instead.

But really, all of those despots had a beginning where people thought they were harmless. We can't afford to be naive.

DannyBoy8, RN · Aug 28, 2020

29 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

We haven't actually witnessed any meaningful checks on the Trump administration. Children are still cruelly separated unnecessarily at our border, court rulings are ignored, laws are ignored, protocol is ignored, and we were informed by the Senate that if it's good for Trump it's probably good for the country. Let's see, Trump broke campaign finance laws and continues to personally profit directly from his actions as president while employing family members and grifting hotel bookings from friends and foes. Trump has no regard for the law, never has, really. He breaks the law and plays the lawyer/court game...always has.

I didn't mention any names or make any direct comparisons to despots. Yes I did assert that Trump is an authoritarian because that is exactly what his "only I (Trump) can save you" IS...it's in the play book of authoritarians leaders.

I'm not concerned about whispers, I'm watching the cruel and uncaring policy of an authoritarian. This president doesn't seem to grasp that strong federal leadership in March and April might have prevented tens of thousands of deaths. Because the authoritarian knows more than the doctors...he has a tremendous brain, a stable genius really... we're counting covid deaths as fast as we can instead.

But really, all of those despots had a beginning where people thought they were harmless. We can't afford to be naive.

Names don't have to be mentioned, they are implied when people hint at going the path of authoritarians in a thread based upon a comparison to the Nazi party.

Nothing you said is inaccurate, and nothing that Trump has done hasn't been done before by previous administrations of both parties in equivalent fashions (personal gain, deportation, wars, campaign finance violations, disregarding legal precedent). Trump just has an abrasive and offensive style in how he carries out the job. But the idea that every President hasn't operated with the same goals and methods is just wrong. Clinton dropped bombs to distract attention from a scandal, Bush fabricated evidence to invade a country, Obama used the IRS to target opposition groups, handed guns over to Mexican cartels, and was head honcho of an admin that covered up the VA problems. Presidents break the rules and all of them have a team of lawyers who told them how to get away with it - except Nixon.

Trump Agenda checked:

June Medical Services v. Russo

Bostock vs. Clayton County

Dreamers and immigration law

JVBT, ASN · Aug 28, 2020

The thing with the diners happened in my neighborhood. It's got not a lot directly to do with nursing and IMHO should not be on the front page of allnurses. Move on.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 28, 2020

1 hour ago, DannyBoy8 said:

Names don't have to be mentioned, they are implied when people hint at going the path of authoritarians in a thread based upon a comparison to the Nazi party.

Nothing you said is inaccurate, and nothing that Trump has done hasn't been done before by previous administrations of both parties in equivalent fashions (personal gain, deportation, wars, campaign finance violations, disregarding legal precedent). Trump just has an abrasive and offensive style in how he carries out the job. But the idea that every President hasn't operated with the same goals and methods is just wrong. Clinton dropped bombs to distract attention from a scandal, Bush fabricated evidence to invade a country, Obama used the IRS to target opposition groups, handed guns over to Mexican cartels, and was head honcho of an admin that covered up the VA problems. Presidents break the rules and all of them have a team of lawyers who told them how to get away with it - except Nixon.

Trump Agenda checked:

June Medical Services v. Russo

Bostock vs. Clayton County

Dreamers and immigration law

The bolded comments are opinion, not fact. Trump's lawless behavior and attitudes, both in comment and in action, are unprecedented. It is a smoke screen to imply that any previous president was as poorly qualified or corrupt as Trump...that's not true. Trump's team simply think that most Americans, like you apparently, don't care about the laws that regulate where he can campaign, or use campaign money etc.

6 minutes ago, JVBT said:

The thing with the diners happened in my neighborhood. It's got not a lot directly to do with nursing and IMHO should not be on the front page of allnurses. Move on.

Agreed. Definitely should not be part of the advertising...geez

ThePrincessBride, MSN, RN, NP · Aug 29, 2020

3 hours ago, jobellestarr said:

Well, if you are a moderator, this is very disappointing. I come here for the one public forum where we can not discuss politics and stick to nursing. I don’t want to believe there is so much hate amongst nurses.

Not surprising. It is okay for white posters to be racist and hateful and protest against racial equality, but let anyone call them out on the BS, we are automatically reprimanded.