Nazi-esque Black Lives Matter Protesters

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Forcing anybody to believe in something that they don't resembles the tactics used by the Nazis. This type of behavior is disgusting. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've yet to see a conservative group accost patrons enjoying a meal.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/BLM-dc-protesters-berate-diners-demand-they-raise-their-fists-in-viral-videos

22 hours ago, SummerGarden said:

So the Trump Supporter who shot at protesters and killed a few in Kenosha and walked away with an AK-47 (went home to sleep), who was only arrested the next day because he was caught on video....  is not a problem for you and other Trump Supporters because in some racist reality he did it in self-defense??? Why was he even there other than to threaten and kill human beings? AK-47s are not used to kill deer.  I love it when Trump Supporters post stupid non-violent things like the original post and clutch their pearls over other nothing-burger stories, while ignoring the racists that are Trump Supporters shooting and killing black people because they disagree with the Black Lives Matter movement. 

A 17 year old who is not legally carrying a weapon in front of cop, was allowed to illegally carry a weapon, threaten black protesters, and to kill a few while having posters on here and in the right-wing racist media scream self-defense.  On the other hand, I will also point out if he were a black 17 year old male, the cops would have killed him before he got out of car! 

The problem with Trump Supporters, who claim that they do not understand the Black Lives Matter movement, is the fact that they choose not to understand that black lives do not matter in this country based on how social justice is applied right now.  From cradle to grave it is different.   Black bodies are being policed differently in this country compared to white bodies.  The Police Unions are so powerful that bad cops are allowed to kill black and brown people, lie about it, and then kill again without losing their freedoms, their careers, or their livelihoods.  Some even get back pay with tax payer dollars for killing black and brown people if they had to be fired or suspended at some point. 

The Black Lives Movement, for those of you who watch way too much State-run TV, is saying that it is not OK to kill black and brown people in higher numbers than anyone else and it is not OK to police black and brown people differently when police are to protect and serve us all not just a few.  So if you do not get that, it is because you don't want to get it.  You prefer to believe the lies that make you feel more comfortable with a reality of a racist society, where all cops are good, Trump is a genius and not a racist, and black and brown people are scary and bad, who also deserve to be shot and killed for no reason other than being scary.

By the way, whatever you choose, the Black Lives Matter movement is not going to go away.  You can post similar posts as the original post and declare fear of a loss of some imagined freedom, you can fain outrage that a child's MEGA (Nazi) hat was taken from him, you can repeat the racist thoughts of Trump that black and brown people are moving to the suburbs (that has not happened yet, I am just waiting for a Trump Supporter to twist reality to post and defend that next), but we will not back down.  We will not stop.  Trump can't stop this civil rights movement and neither will you.  Poor try. ? 

Because BLM is leaderless and unfocused, there are people claiming to represent BLM sending messages like this : 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-looting-black-lives-matter-reparataions-20200817-xdxu4ipu5rhqzkbdl4fpslsnha-story.html

BLM will succeed or fail only with lots of *white* supporters, and you’re alienating lots of them by blocking roads, jumping on cars when people want to just go about their business, and - by defending white convicted criminals like Joseph Rosenbaum- seen here just minutes before his death saying “shoot me!”

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting-victim-seen-in-video-confronting-armed-men/

In fact, a quick googling will show you all three “victims” had records & the one who got a bicep-ectomy had a gun in his hand when he was shot.  Guys like those aren’t helping the cause and should be ostracized by everyone.  

If things continue as they are, BLM will absolutely go away.  So will chances at meaningful court & police reforms.  
 

 

 

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5 hours ago, emtb2rn said:

Going all the way back to the start of this thread, I’m still not understanding the linkage between the rightwing fascist nazi party & the leftwing BLM movement. One was a political party with a platform to gain control of the government while the other is a movement that espouses equal & fair treatment for people of color. 

The early Nazi movement  (pre 1939) was notorious for intimidation, violence and destruction of private property.  BLM is notorious for intimidation, violence and destruction of private property. I hope this clarifies the similarities I was comparing.  BLM may of been a peaceful movement in the beginning but those days are gone.  All I see on television are buildings burning, looting of minority owned businesses, innocent elderly people being beaten trying to protect their property and protesters trying to instill fear into anybody who doesn't agree with their propaganda.  I can  promise you this is what the majority of Americans see.  I can't help it if you don't. 

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1 hour ago, rzyzzy said:

Because BLM is leaderless and unfocused, there are people claiming to represent BLM sending messages like this : 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-looting-black-lives-matter-reparataions-20200817-xdxu4ipu5rhqzkbdl4fpslsnha-story.html

BLM will succeed or fail only with lots of *white* supporters, and you’re alienating lots of them by blocking roads, jumping on cars when people want to just go about their business, and - by defending white convicted criminals like Joseph Rosenbaum- seen here just minutes before his death saying “shoot me!”

https://nypost.com/2020/08/28/kenosha-shooting-victim-seen-in-video-confronting-armed-men/

In fact, a quick googling will show you all three “victims” had records & the one who got a bicep-ectomy had a gun in his hand when he was shot.  Guys like those aren’t helping the cause and should be ostracized by everyone.  

If things continue as they are, BLM will absolutely go away.  So will chances at meaningful court & police reforms.  
 

 

 

Protests that are convenient and acceptable to the oppressor and those comfortable with the oppressor's rules will never be effective. John Lewis knew this...

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1 hour ago, FNP2B1 said:

The early Nazi movement  (pre 1939) was notorious for intimidation, violence and destruction of private property.  BLM is notorious for intimidation, violence and destruction of private property. I hope this clarifies the similarities I was comparing.  BLM may of been a peaceful movement in the beginning but those days are gone.  All I see on television are buildings burning, looting of minority owned businesses, innocent elderly people being beaten trying to protect their property and protesters trying to instill fear into anybody who doesn't agree with their propaganda.  I can  promise you this is what the majority of Americans see.  I can't help it if you don't. 

LOL

I wonder what television programming is selling all that fear...

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CNN is pumped through my office.  Every time they mention a peaceful protest I see buildings burning in the background.  I really wish that wasn’t the case. 

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6 minutes ago, FNP2B1 said:

CNN is pumped through my office.  Every time they mention a peaceful protest I see buildings burning in the background.  I really wish that wasn’t the case. 

LOL

That's what you get when you judge the state of the world on cable television programming.  

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15 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Protests that are convenient and acceptable to the oppressor and those comfortable with the oppressor's rules will never be effective. John Lewis knew this...

John Lewis didn’t support looting of minority owned businesses, the injuring of innocent bystanders, the destruction of private propety or the burning down of your own neighborhood.   The current BLM movement does.  

It is sad they let anarchists take over their movement.  You insult John Lewis by implying he supported violent  criminal activity that has destroyed inner city communities 

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33 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Protests that are convenient and acceptable to the oppressor and those comfortable with the oppressor's rules will never be effective. John Lewis knew this...

If that’s the mindset of BLM, see how long it takes before we get some “mow them down” laws for people intentionally blocking public roads.  

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4 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

The bolded comments are opinion, not fact.  Trump's lawless behavior and attitudes, both in comment and in action, are unprecedented.  It is a smoke screen to imply that any previous president was as poorly qualified or corrupt as Trump...that's not true. Trump's team simply think that most Americans, like you apparently, don't care about the laws that regulate where he can campaign, or use campaign money etc. 

 

I don't know you, and wouldn't presume to make a judgement about your person.  Nor do you know me, so don't make that mistake.  I don't support DT, never voted for him, desperately hope that Biden wins, and am not laying down any sort of smoke screen.  

I'm not sure how suggesting that previous presidents were corrupt and leveraged power for personal or party gain is me laying a smoke screen.  Google "presidential corruption" and do some reading, it isn't an opinion - corruption happens.  

The fact that posters from both sides of this topic are comparing each other to the Nazi regime should clue any reasonable person into how senseless and asinine said comparison is - in both cases.

 

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The actions of those protesters was indefensible and generally disgusting, not to mention completely counterproductive to their cause, although describing them as Nazis is inaccurately specific.

We often generically describe this sort of bullying behavior, specifically requiring that someone agree with you though through intimidation or aggression, as being "nazi" or "fascist" behavior. 

Technically these terms refer to specific ideologies that don't generally describe the BLM movement or organization.  Like saying two people both have cardiac issues when one has severe CAD and the other has severe aortic stenosis.  Both impair the function of the heart but both are distinctly different. 

The BLM organization describes itself as Marxist, which is in many ways the opposite of facism.  Trump for instance has at the very least fascist tendencies, if not just overtly fascist.

I think people often confuse the BLM movement and general sentiment with the organization that co-opted the name.  The BLM movement has fairly broad support, and as a result the BLM organization effectively borrows that broad support even though their stated ideals are far more extremist and radical.

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1 hour ago, DannyBoy8 said:

I don't know you, and wouldn't presume to make a judgement about your person.  Nor do you know me, so don't make that mistake.  I don't support DT, never voted for him, desperately hope that Biden wins, and am not laying down any sort of smoke screen.  

I'm not sure how suggesting that previous presidents were corrupt and leveraged power for personal or party gain is me laying a smoke screen.  Google "presidential corruption" and do some reading, it isn't an opinion - corruption happens.  

The fact that posters from both sides of this topic are comparing each other to the Nazi regime should clue any reasonable person into how senseless and asinine said comparison is - in both cases.

 

Of course corruption happens.  That's not the point.  The point is that no president has ever been as openly dishonest and as corrupt.  There's no need for me to Google that to comprehend how unprecedented this presidency in it's disqualifying and corrupt incompetence. I didn't say you support Trump or voted for him.  I suggested that you apparently don't care about the laws that Trump breaks, as Chief of Staff Meadows claimed is true of Americans in general. That's the impression your remarks leave me. 

The asinine Nazi comparisons are the ones which don't even understand that facism is an example of right wing extremism. That facists are right eing authoritarians and Nazis are the supporters of a famous right wing authoritarian.  Comparing social justice protesters or activists to Nazis is, indeed, asinine.

However, recognizing and discussing the symptoms of authoritarian behavior in a leader known for narcissism and a lack of moral or ethical compass isn't asinine, it's our duty.  It is most certainly a smoke screen to offer the equivalent to "nothing to see here, just business as usual". This isn't business as usual.

No previous president has suggested that the election is rigged if he loses.  No previous president has made untrue claims about the fraud risk of mailed ballots in advance of their election.  When was the last time you heard a president suggest postponing their election or sending police to the polls?

Trump is an authoritarian.  The Senate, as it is occupied, is not inclined to restrain him. We should pay attention now...

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46 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Of course corruption happens.  That's not the point.  The point is that no president has ever been as openly dishonest and as corrupt.  There's no need for me to Google that to comprehend how unprecedented this presidency in it's disqualifying and corrupt incompetence. I didn't say you support Trump or voted for him.  I suggested that you apparently don't care about the laws that Trump breaks, as Chief of Staff Meadows claimed is true of Americans in general. That's the impression your remarks leave me. 

The asinine Nazi comparisons are the ones which don't even understand that facism is an example of right wing extremism. That facists are right eing authoritarians and Nazis are the supporters of a famous right wing authoritarian.  Comparing social justice protesters or activists to Nazis is, indeed, asinine.

However, recognizing and discussing the symptoms of authoritarian behavior in a leader known for narcissism and a lack of moral or ethical compass isn't asinine, it's our duty.  It is most certainly a smoke screen to offer the equivalent to "nothing to see here, just business as usual". This isn't business as usual.

No previous president has suggested that the election is rigged if he loses.  No previous president has made untrue claims about the fraud risk of mailed ballots in advance of their election.  When was the last time you heard a president suggest postponing their election or sending police to the polls?

Trump is an authoritarian.  The Senate, as it is occupied, is not inclined to restrain him. We should pay attention now...

I care about he laws he breaks.  I simply argue that any whiff of a comparison between either side of this particular topic to Nazi regime is the inaccurate, incendiary, and divisive rhetoric that is going to hand Trump the election this time around.  

Sadly, as per usual with our electoral college, moderately minded white voters in the states that "matter" will get to call the ball.  And those voters could honestly give a rats behind about whatever academically generated social justice philosophy is being taken to the streets because they are more worried about their pensions, healthcare, and mortgages - and rightfully so.  They are also particularly fragile and only have so much patience for all things social justice.  The more riots and protests, the better for Trump.  The more Nazi name calling, the better for Trump.  The more white fragility/supremacy talk, the better for Trump. The more hell that is raised, the better for Trump.  

Maybe we should take a moment to recognize that CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, CNBC, NYT, WAPO, The Atlantic, and most media....they all stand to gain billions of dollars if he is re-elected.  Trump is good for business.  Anti-trump sentiment on any network is more than slightly disingenuous because the top of the food chain stands to capture a hefty profit with his re-election.  We should be reflecting on that as we watch how the the social unrest is covered and interperated by pundints who will certainly influence the prevailing sentiment with language and perspective.

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