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My Visit to China: Could This Be A Reason Why Coronavirus Started There?

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Do You Think Unsanitary Conditions in China Make Ideal Breeding Grounds for Outbreaks Like the Coronavirus?

I've visited China and the wet markets where the coronavirus is believed to have started. With the conditions I saw it's not surprising that this is where the outbreak may have begun. You are reading page 7 of My Visit to China: Could This Be A Reason Why Coronavirus Started There?. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

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1 hour ago, HappyMom5 said:

I think anyone should be able to post their experiences and feelings about those experiences without getting criticism.  

That's just intellectual laziness.

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cynical-RN has 10 years experience as a BSN and specializes in ICU.

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58 minutes ago, Daisy4RN said:

It is neither bias nor unsubstantiated (and therefore not racist either) to repeat the facts as stated by officials. Add to that, there is nothing wrong with sharing ones personal experience, and especially for the purpose of having a discussion about how poor hygiene affects health and wellness. It just so happens that this virus was first id'd in China, hence the discussion about the markets. Makes perfect sense (ie common sense) to me!

I agree, and it also seems like those here who are accusing people of being racist are the ones making the most rude and insensitive comments, IMO.

Pish posh. You are neglecting the insensitive parts of the article and cherry-picking the uncontested parts to dismiss the premise of the rebuke -red herring retort.

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2 hours ago, Emergent said:

The racism accusation was a bit much, I agree. My point was, America is an unhealthy country. American corporations have sent cigarettes and soda pop to other countries for a profit, wrecking havoc across the world. 

Yet now there's a backlash against some Chinese practices that Americans look down on. The article reeks of cultural superiority. 

 

 

 

How I wish most Americans could get mirrors for presents on this Valentines day. Introspection is deeply needed in this nation. There is a staggering lack of insightfulness and self-reflection.

"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime." Mark Twain.

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There is nothing inherently unsanitary about squat toilets.  Some would argue they are MORE sanitary since you are not sitting on a toilet seat that other people have sat on.  People who are used to squat toilets think sitting on a toilet is disgusting, because who knows who else has sat there?  Squat toilets are the norm in large parts of the world.  In addition, squatting makes it easier to poop - that's why the Squatty Potty was invented.  I have lived in and traveled to 3rd world countries and did not see people "missing" when using a squat toilet.  The only exception was Nepal where they literally cut a slit in the floor - that one is hard to get the hang of.

Honestly, I've been appalled at how filthy some Americans are when using a public restroom - urine all over the seat, unflushed toilet, etc.  And women who still evidently try to flush tampons down the toilet.  Is there any toilet where it is okay to do this?

As for not being able to flush toilet paper, these are POOR countries and their infrastructure needs upgrading.  As long as toilet paper is placed in the proper bin, I don't see why this is an issue.  It's not like anyone is going to go rummaging in used TP!

As for food prep - the US is hardly the epitome of sanitary practices, either.  I suggest reading "Fast Food Nation" for a stomach-churning description of modern butchering and food processing.  How many outbreaks of E Coli have we had due to contaminated food processing equipment?  Do you know that most dairy farmers won't drink their own milk because they know it is full of pus and other crap?  

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, cynical-RN said:

You are making my point.

Your point is fluid depending on the counterpoint. Your style of argumentation is disingenuous. You are a waste of time. 

 

The general style of outrage culture expressed in this thread suppresses expression and stifles debate because nobody is in a hurry to have their innocent contribution misconstrued as racist by the PC police.

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3 minutes ago, SummitRN said:

Your point is fluid depending on the counterpoint. Your style of argumentation is disingenuous. You are a waste of time. 

 

The general style of outrage culture expressed in this thread suppresses expression and stifles debate because nobody is in a hurry to have their innocent contribution misconstrued as racist.

Another ad hominem response from you. Height of hypocrisy for someone chastizing and bemoaning decency in the expression of views. "Waste of time", yet your own indignity compelled you to respond. Whose time are you wasting? I haven't labeled anyone as racist. Check your receipts. Don't flatter your own true character 😉

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I noticed that people on Internet Posting sites like to use the word disingenuous. It's been used twice on this post as far as I remember. I think it's been used incorrectly. I will provide the definition below.

dis·in·gen·u·ous

/ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/

adjective

not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.

"this journalist was being somewhat disingenuous as well as cynical"

I think that the people who are accused of being disingenuous are totally sincere. I don't think that they are pretending to know less than they know in order to further their point.

I'm tired of seeing this disingenuous be used on the internet when nobody uses it in real life.

 

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3 hours ago, SummitRN said:

 

The general style of outrage culture expressed in this thread suppresses expression and stifles debate because nobody is in a hurry to have their innocent contribution misconstrued as racist by the PC police.

Yes, I think there are many valid points on which to criticize the article.  The best approach would be to address the specific points of contention, especially the ones that stood out as particularly culturally insensitive.  We could have all learned from that and maybe become aware of our own inherent biases.  Keeping the emotion out of it would make anyone's point of view more credible, not less.

But the name-calling and rage and personal attacks smack of self-righeousness and moral superiority, which, in my opinion, are no better than blatant racism.  And they do shut down any chance of a real conversation about anything.

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All I know is diseases have the potential to, and many have actually, come from bush meat. The ins and outs of China is subjective. Bush meat producing disease is fact. Wet markets aren't too healthy and we all should know this as healthcare professionals.

 

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8 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

There is a big difference between a legit criticism and calling people names (racist, bigot, xenophobe, Eurocentric etc). IMO, some people are way too PC and it shuts conversations down and can also interfere with the delivery of healthcare.

https://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2011/12/political-correctness-interferes-healthcare.html

People should not even have to call names in the first place if people are competent enough to know the cultural differences. This isn't a new material given it was started by none other than Madeleine Leininger in 1950s. 

Conversations are not shut down but being "Politically Correct." If anything, It's the refusal of accepting the faults by people like you that interferes with the delivery of healthcare. 

The useless article you linked has nothing to do with race. Fatness and Racial discriminations are not the same. My comment regards to fat people were to show that you cannot expect zero criticism for expressing your opinions.

 

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8 hours ago, Daisy4RN said:

I think the problem is that everyone is more concerned about being PC/a victim than actually having a real conversation. Calling people names is not the way to have an adult conversation in the hopes of solving problems. Bat in the soup, probably more for sensationalizing (picture to grab attention for readers) than bias IMO.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-problem-political-correctness_b_2746663

Yeah, maybe could have picked a better picture for the article.

How can one have a conversation when people who cause the offense refuse to acknowledge their mistake? Or even further, those people like you, who refuses to look the matter in different viewpoints?

Being narrow minded isn't going to help you in the future. If you want to solve problem in adult ways, perhaps the first thing you should do is to understand why people are having issues with this article, and not attack the people who were offended by the article. By defending the OP, and refusing to take any consideration of the other viewpoint makes you look petty and uncultured.

 

Also, putting bat soup as an "attention grab" is despicable and revolting. The fact that people like you haven't acknowledge how offensive this may be just shows how uneducated you are in terms of cultural awareness 

 

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2 hours ago, TriciaJ said:

Yes, I think there are many valid points on which to criticize the article.  The best approach would be to address the specific points of contention, especially the ones that stood out as particularly culturally insensitive.  We could have all learned from that and maybe become aware of our own inherent biases.  Keeping the emotion out of it would make anyone's point of view more credible, not less.

But the name-calling and rage and personal attacks smack of self-righeousness and moral superiority, which, in my opinion, are no better than blatant racism.  And they do shut down any chance of a real conversation about anything.

Stop making this about yourself. Calling out someone for being uncultured in a profession like nursing is necessary nowadays because clearly, people like you have not learned about diversity and culture properly in nursing school.

Times have changed. Stop living in your ancient times.

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