i don't want my post to be the venue for an LPN-RN debate...this is just my opinion about the topic...
i understand that not EVERYBODY want to be an RN and that NOT everyone stays as an LPN...different situations calls for a different approach...we as nurses should be bonded and not debate amongst ourselves of who has the best career...it's hard enough explaining to the lay person what we do and how important we are and not "just nurses"...that we don't need to badmouth each other...
The catfights always start when this stuff comes up.
I like that....catfight....and I wonder if catfights are gender specific, and if they are, might it have something to do with the sad state of affairs nursing is in today :uhoh21: ?
The catfights always start when this stuff comes up.
I like that....catfight....and I wonder if catfights are gender specific, and if they are, might it have something to do with the sad state of affairs nursing is in today :uhoh21: ?
I think I know what you are saying. Women probably *can* be slightly more catty than men, IMO....*but*......I don't think all women are catty, thank God! Right now, I like the women I am working with. I have seen some catty men in the past too...and not homosexual men either. I don't think bad behavior toward co-workers is exclusively a womans' shortcoming. No offense meant.
:stone: the way you post honey....you sound like a troll...::shudder::
I am an LPN (Licensed Professional Nurse) ordained by the State of FL. and sister/brother you need to back off. What you say means nothing yet is sure to insite a riot. Think before you "speak"
As for LPN vs. RN - it's all been said. As an LPN, yes there are specific procedures that I am not licensed to carry out. Yes, in an acute care setting I am "under" (for lack of a better word) the charge RN. Does that make me less important in the arena of Pt care??? Absolutely not!
If ego is the all important deciding factor of "who's more important" and not PT care then just maybe some soul searching needs to be done. Let's just give it rest..... puleasssse.
same difference? I don't think so! I spent 4 years in undergraduate studies (BSN) vs 1 year for the PN's, big difference. LPN's cannot work in my department, critical care. Now, in support of the LPN's I have worked with (supervised) in the past....most were smart, competent caregivers. But they knew the boundaries, liabilities & when to call for back up. I always differentiate since I deserve this. I did not take LPN boards but RN boards (among others). Nuff said.
The main matter is that we must all work together I here alot in Nursing how one person feels more superior over the other But it will always be some one who might be more EDUCATED but we must all use WISDOM and work together. that LPN might eventually make it and become MORE EDUCATED than you! maybe you had more time to devote to studies and the LPN didnt HIHGER LEARNING NEVER STOPS.....
Maybe you don't think there is a difference because of where you work. Where I work there is a definite difference as it is only RNs that are hired.
I think it boils down to experience. Our assistant DON has been an LVN for 29 years. I would trust her to take care of me over any nurse I know, RN or LVN. I would rather have a nurse with experience over a nurse with little or no experience. I don't care what letters follow their name.
This appears to be an emotional issue. I've been able to find one study concerning the level of nurse education and patient outcome. I posted a URL for that study. A few nurses chose to dismiss that study (published in JAMA) as being statistically flawed, without giving evidence. If you don't have the proof, you are just barking into the wind.
This appears to be an emotional issue. I've been able to find one study concerning the level of nurse education and patient outcome. I posted a URL for that study. A few nurses chose to dismiss that study (published in JAMA) as being statistically flawed, without giving evidence. If you don't have the proof, you are just barking into the wind.
I'm not sure what you are saying. What did the study show regarding level of education and patient outcome? Are you saying that the more education the nurse has, the better the patient outcome is? If so, that would be obvious. But face it, hasn't most of your nursing education come from experience on the job as opposed to semesters in the classroom? I truely believe that an RN with 10 years experience is probably better than an LVN with 2 years experience. I also believe that an LVN with 10 years experience is probably better than an RN with 2 years experience. We were told many times in LVN school by our teachers (who were all RN's) that there is a problem in the work force with RN's having a superiority complex and would look down their noses at us. I honestly have never felt that from any RN. I have always been treated as an equal and have always treated my co-workers as equals regardless if they were an RN or LVN. I respect all nurses, as well as CNA's.
This has nothing to do with respect. I am not an RN, I am a student nurse. However I am not your average student nurse. I hold a M.S. in chemistry, and am intimately acquainted with the process of scholarly research, whether it be nursing, chemistry, physics, or botany... I previously made reference to a study authored by Dr. Linda Aiken concerning the education levels of nurses and surgical patient mortality. (If you care to read back a bit, I provided a URL) Some of my colleagues here chose to summarily dismiss the study, which was published in JAMA (Journal of the American Medical Association). JAMA is a scholarly, peer-reviewed publication. Rather than express professional skepticism, a few responded with emotion and vitriol. This area needs more investigation.
In all other fields, more education is accepted as leading to more positive outcomes. Why is that so difficult a concept for nursing?
Specializes in Trauma,ER,CCU/OHU/Nsg Ed/Nsg Research.
They didn't post a URL, but you were informed that the study along with a rebuttal and supporting comments were published in Nursing Magazine (March 2004, Vol. 34, No. 3, RN Education: A Matter of Degrees. page 48). Here is a URL where you can buy the article, but I would suggest getting a subscription to the magazine- it's very much worth the $. http://www.nursingcenter.com/library/JournalArticle.asp?Article_ID=493596
Some of the problems noted about the study:
The hospitals with higher ADN staff numbers were noted to have fewer technological resources and higher workloads that the ones with more BSNs (and no adjustments were made for this), overall nursing experience of the staff, the examination of hospitals from only 1 state, a low (52%) response of nurses surveyed, the pt age data wasn't adjusted for general mortality rates, etc. You can read the article for yourself and conclude what you will, though.
Okay, I'm a student so what do I know...but aren't we all just supposed to work together? Why does there always have to be arguments about this type of thing when we all have the same thing in mind...best patient care!?
might it have something to do with the sad state of affairs nursing is in today :uhoh21: ?
Probably has quite a bit to do with the attitude that people demonstrate to one another. Be respectful, get respected. Treat others (such as CNAs for example) like they are a waste of time and are beneath your dignity, then don't be surprised when their attitude towards you is '**** you and the horse you rode in on'.
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The catfights always start when this stuff comes up.
I like that....catfight....and I wonder if catfights are gender specific, and if they are, might it have something to do with the sad state of affairs nursing is in today :uhoh21: ?