Losing my religion

Ah, the lively religious debate. As nurses, we all take care of a multitude of patients, all with specific, and sometimes not so specific, emotional/spiritual needs. And unless one works within a religious entity, here's my take on why a nurse's own religion needs to stay in the nurse's personal life. Nurses Spirituality Article

Ah, the lively religious debate. As nurses, we all take care of a multitude of patients, all with specific, and sometimes not so specific, emotional/spiritual needs. And unless one works within a religious entity, here's my take on why a nurse's own religion needs to stay in the nurse's personal life.

1. Patients do not come to a facility seeking religious conversion. So a nurse should never take advantage of the fact that patients can be fragile, they may be in the bargaining portion of their grief process, and they do not give medals for saved souls.

2. Patients in general have their own set of religious values, beliefs, circumstances therefore, do not come into a facility to be converted into a nurse's own. If you are somehow "appalled" at someone's religious traditions, know your resources, and how to contact them to assist the patient.

3. If faced with a patient that is life or death, they have stressors that the nurse can empathize with, but we really have not a clue the unique circumstance that a patient is feeling. Act ethically as a nurse, not the time to push religious agendas.

4. We are required to meet the spiritual needs of a patient. Not ourselves.

5. Patient have the right to change their mind. When faced with a life and death there are and will be patients who decide to drop their religious restrictions. It is their right to do so. Please do not try and then convince them otherwise.

6. There are multitudes of people in the facility, the community, who know a heck of a lot more about one's particular religion than perhaps the nurse does. Use them.

7. It is interesting to know and understand someone else's religious beliefs. So take note for future reference. There are multitudes of religious and variations thereof in the world, so it can only help next time if a nurse has a general idea.

8. It is a huge grey area to participate in a religious act while someone's nurse. A nurse can pray for someone privately at home if you are so inclined.

9. There are certifications for nurses to become religiously affiliated should that be your forte.

10. Be respectful, but set limits to your participation, to your thought process in religion, and always have a plan "b".

If you are not comfortable with providing certain care due to your own belief system, then what? Always have a plan of action if this is the case. Remember, you may have a patient who is not religious at all. That requires just as much respect and support as the devoutly religious.

Compassion and empathy are not exclusive to any particular religion dogma, or no religion, nor will a nurse particularly "go to Hell" if they are providing ethical care to a patient. Patients have choices, and if a prudent nurse is acting in the best interest of what a patient wants for treatment at any particular point in time, all the better for it.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.
Prayer how to do nothing but still think you are helping.[/quote']

Very positive and informative. Thank you for sharing your inspiring words of tolerance that helped further this conversation.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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Prayer how to do nothing but still think you are helping.[/quote']

True prayer is actually quite taxing. I certainly wouldn't call it "doing nothing".

Specializes in Emergency Department.

OK, I see I've upset a couple of people. Has anyone actually looked at the research which shows that in some cases patients being prayed for have a poorer outcome when they know about it and those who don't know about it has no effect at all?

As Ricky Gervais said recently; “Beyonce, Rhianna & Katy Perry send prayers to #Oklahoma #PrayForOklahoma".“I feel like an idiot now… I only sent money.”

I want to make my position absolutely clear, in the case of spirituality no nurse should ever put their beliefs or unbelief's into the relationship with patients. We should remain professional at all times, support the patient and family but not become involved in that part of the family dynamics. Their religiosity is entirely their concern - not ours.

I am not religious, however I also realize that there are many things in this world that can't be explained. I don't think there is a way to disprove that prayer is beneficial. Just because we can't always see benefits to something doesn't make it any less valid.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.
OK, I see I've upset a couple of people. Has anyone actually looked at the research which shows that in some cases patients being prayed for have a poorer outcome when they know about it and those who don't know about it has no effect at all?

As Ricky Gervais said recently; “Beyonce, Rhianna & Katy Perry send prayers to #Oklahoma #PrayForOklahoma".“I feel like an idiot now… I only sent money.”

I want to make my position absolutely clear, in the case of spirituality no nurse should ever put their beliefs or unbelief's into the relationship with patients. We should remain professional at all times, support the patient and family but not become involved in that part of the family dynamics. Their religiosity is entirely their concern - not ours.

Link to the research article please.

I prayed during my boards and surprisingly I relaxed and calmed down.

Specializes in critcal care, CRNA.
OK, I see I've upset a couple of people. Has anyone actually looked at the research which shows that in some cases patients being prayed for have a poorer outcome when they know about it and those who don't know about it has no effect at all?

As Ricky Gervais said recently; “Beyonce, Rhianna & Katy Perry send prayers to #Oklahoma #PrayForOklahoma".“I feel like an idiot now… I only sent money.”

I want to make my position absolutely clear, in the case of spirituality no nurse should ever put their beliefs or unbelief's into the relationship with patients. We should remain professional at all times, support the patient and family but not become involved in that part of the family dynamics. Their religiosity is entirely their concern - not ours.

I'm sorry but after reading this I have to ask exactly how do they measure these outcomes? If I pray openly for 100 terminal cancer PTs and they all pass away, does that prove that pray made them worse?

I have seen articles written before that showed improvement in vital signs with someone praying at the bedside but I'm not sure if it was an actual research article so I won't proclaim it as truth.

Specializes in Peds, Med-Surg, Disaster Nsg, Parish Nsg.
We should remain professional at all times, support the patient and family but not become involved in that part of the family dynamics. Their religiosity is entirely their concern - not ours.

As a nurse......a parish nurse......I do maintain a high level of professionalism as I pray with patients and become deeply involved with the family dynamics on a spiritual and religious level. I am happy to be able to use my religion and faith to meet the needs of others.

Interesting question! Is this private pay hospice? If there is no Medicare reimbursement whatsoever, then that hospice can choose to be exclusively for Christians.

Hmmm...not sure if there is medicare reimbursement.

But the point isn't for the hospice to be exclusively for Christians, but to win people who aren't Christians to Christ before they pass on into eternity.

Specializes in Critical Care, ED, Cath lab, CTPAC,Trauma.

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Specializes in Hospice, corrections, psychiatry, rehab, LTC.
Sounds like a mind set of people from the old Soviet Union from where me and my family escaped. Sad to see this mind set taking place in this country. We should all be able to freely express our views. And I don't mean that we should be forcing our views on to our patients, but there is no wrong in sharing what you believe and why.

Offering unsolicited religious advice is pretty much the same as forcing your views on the patient. I fail to see the distinction if you are offering information that wasn't requested and isn't wanted, or may be in direct conflict with the beliefs of the patient. Equating the fact that some people are not interested in your beliefs to religious persecution in the former Soviet Union is way over the top, IMO.

Unsolicited non-clinical advice of any kind is usually inappropriate.

What I find nefarious is the illogical notion that faith is a light switch. Is it really possible to stop being Muslim or Hindu just because you went to work? Does that mean that the Jew or the Muslim can eat pork sandwiches while they're at work? Of course not! It is literally impossible to 'step out' of one's faith-based values or beliefs based on location or context.

Professionals of faith must respect the faith of others- and should expect the same in return.

I find that people concerned with religious communications of co-workers tend to be antagonistic toward religious expressions. Rather than hide behind the facade of service and anti- self-service, just come out and say that you don't want any religious expression at all at work because you think religion serves no useful purpose at work.

Deep down, such people are anti-religion zealots who exert more energy trying to stomp out religiosity than religious people exert sharing their faith with others.

Years ago, I lost a job because of such a zealot. One evening, we had a client being treated in the ER who just got word that her husband died a few minutes ago up on the unit. She was happy because her husband embraced her faith before he passed.

During my rounds, entered and politely greeted she and her family. I listened as she spoke about what was happening, without saying a single word. I just smiled, nodded my head to show I was listening, being careful not to utter any words or groans that might be construed as joining in religious conversation. With joyful tears, she grabbed my hand and spoke kind words of blessing to me. She said, "You're a believer, aren't you?" I nodded yes but said no more. She responded that she got the feeling that I might be and she made positive statement about what she believed my character was like. She believed my faith showed without me saying anything.

Just then, a co-worker came in as she said these words to me while holding my hand. He treated the client and gave no indication of his displeasure at this 'religious conversation.' All the while the client held my hand and spoke a blessing on me- as I stood without saying a word.

Next thing I know, I'm getting FIRED for having a religious interaction with a client. I did not instigate the conversation. I did not ask questions of a religious nature. I did not SAY anything of a religious nature to ANYONE. No prayer. No reading of sacred texts. Nothing.

A weeping client reached out to me and I just tried to be present- nothing more.

My supervisor called me in to her office and I was terminated a day later. When I explained that I did NOTHING wrong and explained exactly what happened, how it happened, my word meant nothing. The uncontested, unsubstantiated word of an anti-religious zealot cost me my job.

After that, I've learned to be leery of people preoccupied with the religious life of others. It's a zealotry often blinded by hatred or ignorance. You have been warned!