I believe that since the Biden inauguration, much of the world is breathing a small sigh of relief. I know I am. Yes, there are STILL the dissenters and non-believers and rebels, but for the most part, I think we are safer and headed for better times.
Was watching Dr Fauci on a TV news clip this morning. The man looks 10 years younger!! Like the wt of the nation and world has been shifted off his shoulders.
I can barely imagine the overwhelming psychological and emotional distress that man must have endured since the beginning of this pandemic and the disconnect with DJT. DJT. Such a professional and personal conflict. Yet he always remained the expert professional he is.
In past history, he'd have been beheaded by King Henry VIII or executed by Hitler for his dire cautionary warnings that were so contrary to DJT's.
JMHO, but the man deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for Health and this nation's highest civilian medals, the Presidential Medal of Freedom or Congressional Gold Medal.
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43 minutes ago, Curious1997 said:
My problem is extrapolation. I automatically do what ifs.
If you believe in lizard people, then by extension you are negating biology and science. So no matter how nice you are to me, when the situation arrives for clear and logical thinking, can I depend on you?
If you believe in Trump, then by extension, you are unable to be a good judge of character and succumb easily to trendy memes, so what other friends do you have, that is likely to be a an unsavory character and how will they affect my life?
I mostly operate logically to minimize the impact of questionable occurrences from flawed friends. It's been my experience that blind people bump into things! And, flawed people get into trouble!
America is not Europe where you can make human mistakes and society will give you the benefit of the doubt allowing you to rebuild your life. You can get a parking ticket in America and if you are unable to pay, a private company employed by the govt, might, using exorbitant fees for loans etc can land you in jail with a chequered history and ruin your life. This is only a mild exaggeration!
This is a country where people are denied health care and it's championed by the people themselves who are unable to fathom that there for the grace of God, go I! People go bankrupt from health care bills!
It's almost as if people are unable to have decency and willingly embrace someone like Trump who has the morality and ethics of a venomous snake!
What are the capabilities of someone who picks up a gun, to go to the white house to overthrow an election and kill people? How little forethought does it take to envisage the outcomes?
I don't want to come together with people like that. They are as alien to me as Nazis! I am afraid that they are contaminated and will self destruct affecting me in their blast radius. I know such people and it's impossible to communicate with them, because they are speaking Russian. It's in their nature and I've seen so many times, that sooner or later, their explosions, involving their families and friends, blighting them and causing so much harm.
Trump has taken down so many people with him who has believed his lies and nonsense. And, he's going to take down even more in the future! He's as toxic as a human can possibly be!
I get what you're saying and I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel the same sense of followers of that ideology alien to me.
But we cannot forget, no matter what, that we are all just people. Flawed and imperfect. We cannot see each other as sub-human, that type of thinking is dangerous. We need to lead by example and promote tolerance, the very thing that their party rejects. I can disagree with their beliefs, I can not understand why they feel that way, but at the same time I can accept that they are who they are and they feel what they feel even if I find it reprehensible.
I have been denied acceptance from my community my entire life, but I try really hard not to do the same to others.
I guess I am a hypocrite, I despise Trump and I despise the movement of the alt-right. But people aren't all good or all bad, I want to set an example that exclusion isn't necessary to feel special, loved, accepted. That we can use compassion with one another even if we don't understand each other.
Sometimes I succeed in thinking and acting this way, sometimes I just feel angry.
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3 hours ago, Curious1997 said:
It is healing to have our Constitution, our Independence, Bill of Rights, knowledge that free and fair elections and independent judiciary that upholds those elections, are still mostly intact and functional, after the unparalleled assault from the greatest criminal this country has ever seen, who was aided and abetted by the worst unpatriotic cowards in the GOP!
That's what I am grateful for! To have someone decent in the White House and give us all some relief from the madness of the last four years! To breathe again.
Now we have almost two years to relax before the scorge of the GOP can rear their ugly heads again.
Lots of things will facilitate healing...republicans are just fixated on bipartisan efforts because that's how they change legislation that they will never support...they abuse the patience of those who actually WANT to govern through thoughtful compromise.
We don't have 2 years to relax. We haven't saved our republic from this threat. I do agree that the rhetoric emanating from the Oval Office and the Biden administration will be ever so much less divisive and intentionally inflammatory.
3 hours ago, DaveICURN said:
I feel that the ultimate problem is ideology. When we focus so much on one narrative, forego communication, and demonize the opposing party, then we are in a tailspin of societal neglect.
It easy to attribute someone entire argument under the heading of Alt-Right or Left-wing nut, but then we don't learn. We cannot develop meaningful connections and true healing until we do so.
So yes, democrats will have to live with being called hypocrites for some calling for the disestablishment and red scare tactics of the last 4 years, and now call for unity and peace.
Yes, Republicans will now be called terrorists for some staging a protest and trespassing on federal property.
But that is not me. I hope that this is not you. We are individuals who cannot be summed up in simple terms. So let us be complex. Let us be different. Most of all, lets talk and work together.
Disestablishment and red scare tactics of the past 4 years? Please flesh that out. Are you talking about calls for police reform and restructuring how public safety money is spent? What is that red scare? Putin's known activities? What are you referencing?
Nah. I don't call people terrorists that don't support or defend terrorism or the ideology of terrorists. Unfortunately for many Trump supporters, they are supporting a terrorist and they routinely defend the actions and ideology of that terrorist and his minions.
Biden called for unity in truth in his inaugural address. Truth about the sickness that has overcome American conservatism is necessary. The cancerous bits must be identified and remedied before the republic dies. That's not going to be comfortable for 70 million people if we are successful. If we fail we will lose our republic.
Despots don't concede. They don't retire quietly to the seaside. They either seize power in subsequent attempts or they try to hurt the country that rejected them. We can see right now that Trump plans on remaining the head of the GOP and the party will likely not survive Trump's affections.
I get what you're saying and I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel the same sense of followers of that ideology alien to me.
But we cannot forget, no matter what, that we are all just people. Flawed and imperfect. We cannot see each other as sub-human, that type of thinking is dangerous. We need to lead by example and promote tolerance, the very thing that their party rejects. I can disagree with their beliefs, I can not understand why they feel that way, but at the same time I can accept that they are who they are and they feel what they feel even if I find it reprehensible.
I have been denied acceptance from my community my entire life, but I try really hard not to do the same to others.
I guess I am a hypocrite, I despise Trump and I despise the movement of the alt-right. But people aren't all good or all bad, I want to set an example that exclusion isn't necessary to feel special, loved, accepted. That we can use compassion with one another even if we don't understand each other.
Sometimes I succeed in thinking and acting this way, sometimes I just feel angry.
Agree with you completely but I have a different path. I respect their feelings but I don't want to be caught up in their madness. I haven't got the energy to engage them. I would rather lavish my energy on unfortunate children and women who have been hurt by their men or the homeless. I have a finite amount of energy and it has to be channeled appropriately. I would rather help people who actually need help and want it. I would love to lie and say that I am a good person for doing it, but in reality I am a slave to my conscience, imparted to me by parents who didn't think that making their children feel guilty about the unfortunate, is actually a punishment! It's an incredible pain and annoyance to me anyway, to possess empathy!
The women chose these bad men who demonstrated numerous times what they would be like. Their children then have to suffer the consequences and people like me have to waste my precious time because I feel guilty and sorry for the kids. I know it's shocking to Americans about people who are as blunt as I am and even though I was born here and grew up here, I don't feel American. I am used to people just saying it like it is.
Trump supporters are exactly those people making bad choices. And everyone else has to suffer the consequences.
Now you use your energy to persuade some of these billionaires to fund the right charities instead of thinking about the next yacht or plane.
Not interested in bipartisan anything. Repubs set the precedent, so they should have to live with it. There's a pandemic, people out of work, recession looming, bills to be paid and an international crisis completely brought on by Trump alone!
LOL....Obama set the precedent. The lack of bipartisanship in the crafting of Obamacare is the biggest example.
There are others. Such as entering into treaties by way of EO's.
And, the idea that Trump is to blame for the pandemic and resulting recession is one of the most ridiculous assertions I've seen in these forums over the years.
President Biden made an unannounced visit to the Capital to pay respect to Officer Sicknick -- he'd spent 30+ years in Senate and offer comfort to the Capital Police.. Another way Biden's helping to heal the country.
It is healing to have our Constitution, our Independence, Bill of Rights, knowledge that free and fair elections and independent judiciary that upholds those elections, are still mostly intact and functional, after the unparalleled assault from the greatest criminal this country has ever seen, who was aided and abetted by the worst unpatriotic cowards in the GOP!
Says so the one who wants the Dems to pack the Supreme Court and for them and Biden to ram down the throats of Americans as much of the Progressive agenda as possible.
There are others. Such as entering into treaties by way of EO's.
And, the idea that Trump is to blame for the pandemic and resulting recession is one of the most ridiculous assertions I've seen in these forums over the years.
I don't blame Trump for the pandemic. I blame him for the lack of response to the pandemic. To playing down how serious it was, for making accusations that it was yet another conspiracy made by the evil democrats to trick everybody. It was Trump who pushed the use of a drug that had no scientific evidence behind it helping COVID, causing people to panic buy the drug online causing massive shortages. What about when he suggested to inject disinfectant or using UV lighting to kill the virus. He refused to wear a mask to the point that there was a massive outbreak in the White House.
And since so many of his followers just accept anything he tweets as fact despite the entire world saying and proving he is wrong that still isn't enough to convince people to do what they need to do during this.
Let me guess now you're going to talk about how I just consume Liberal corrupt media and that there really is a satanic pedophilic cult out there and Trump is the only one can save us, Covid is a man made china virus engineered by the democrats funded by the Clintons, my god it makes so much sense!
There are others. Such as entering into treaties by way of EO's.
And, the idea that Trump is to blame for the pandemic and resulting recession is one of the most ridiculous assertions I've seen in these forums over the years.
Are you telling us that you don't believe that there were Republican driven amendments or changes to the ACA? Why have you chosen ignorance on that subject when you lived through the reality? By the way...that quote from Obama was after he won a second term after the GOP had obstructed every aspect of his first term. The ACA was already law when conservatives clutched their pearls over those remarks. Try again.
It's a problem to enter or support treaties and alliances with EO but breaking them by EO wasn't a problem enough for you to say anything about that. Color me unimpressed with your cherry picked concern.
The Chief Executive should be held accountable for the terrible judgement, planning, and execution of strategies during a deadly pandemic that kills 400k of his citizens in 11 months. That people think that accountability is ridiculous only reflects on their values. Why don't you think that the guy in charge who lied to the country about the virus should be held accountable for his words and deeds? Why don't you care that tens of thousands died because of Trump's dishonesty and corrupt malfeasance?
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11 hours ago, TheMoonisMyLantern said:
I get what you're saying and I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel the same sense of followers of that ideology alien to me.
But we cannot forget, no matter what, that we are all just people. Flawed and imperfect. We cannot see each other as sub-human, that type of thinking is dangerous. We need to lead by example and promote tolerance, the very thing that their party rejects. I can disagree with their beliefs, I can not understand why they feel that way, but at the same time I can accept that they are who they are and they feel what they feel even if I find it reprehensible.
I have been denied acceptance from my community my entire life, but I try really hard not to do the same to others.
I guess I am a hypocrite, I despise Trump and I despise the movement of the alt-right. But people aren't all good or all bad, I want to set an example that exclusion isn't necessary to feel special, loved, accepted. That we can use compassion with one another even if we don't understand each other.
Sometimes I succeed in thinking and acting this way, sometimes I just feel angry.
Who sees the Trump cult members as subhuman? I've read no comment that dehumanizes them.
We do need to lead by example and promote HONESTY, INTEGRITY, HONOR AND ACCOUNTABILITY. There is no room to tolerate sedition and insurrection in our republic. Yes, we can accept that Trump supporters are deceived and uninterested in facts or truth. We can also recognise that allowing a large political cult to spread unamerican ideology using lies and propaganda is a threat to our constitution.
Fascism and fascist ideology are not welcome in the modern world. The confederacy is not welcome in these United States. Elections determine who is president...not angry mobs caught up in a cult of personality, inflamed by a corrupt despot.
..Let's set the record straight. The Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (known as the HELP Committee), chaired first by Edward Kennedy and later by Christopher Dodd, held 14 bipartisan round-table meetings and 13 public hearings. Democrats on that committee accepted 160 Republican amendments to the bill. The Senate Finance Committee, chaired by Montana Democrat Max Baucus, was writing its own version of the ACA. It held 17 bipartisan round-table sessions, summit meetings and hearings with Republican senators....
...a few Republican senators, such as Finance Committee members Charles Grassley of Iowa and Mike Enzi of Wyoming, were in discussions with the Democrats until McConnell warned both men that their future in the party would be in jeopardy if they supported the bill. ...
...Republicans had several opportunities to introduce amendments to the Affordable Care Act, in both the Senate and House bills. Ultimately, for procedural reasons tied to the death of Sen. Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., the Senate version was the only one that moved forward. But Republicans offered changes in the committees that considered the bills before the whole chambers voted on them.
For example, 788 amendments were submitted during the ACA’s markup in the Senate Committee for Health, Education, Labor and Pensions committee (HELP). Three quarters of them were filed by the committee’s Republican members, according to John McDonough in his book Inside National Health Reform. Of those, 161 were adopted in whole or revised form.
Yet as we reported at the time, those amendments were mostly technical. Only two of those Republican amendments were passed via roll-call vote. One of these amendments required members of Congress and congressional staff to enroll in the government-run option and the other involved biologics medication....
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I get what you're saying and I'd be lying if I said I didn't feel the same sense of followers of that ideology alien to me.
But we cannot forget, no matter what, that we are all just people. Flawed and imperfect. We cannot see each other as sub-human, that type of thinking is dangerous. We need to lead by example and promote tolerance, the very thing that their party rejects. I can disagree with their beliefs, I can not understand why they feel that way, but at the same time I can accept that they are who they are and they feel what they feel even if I find it reprehensible.
I have been denied acceptance from my community my entire life, but I try really hard not to do the same to others.
I guess I am a hypocrite, I despise Trump and I despise the movement of the alt-right. But people aren't all good or all bad, I want to set an example that exclusion isn't necessary to feel special, loved, accepted. That we can use compassion with one another even if we don't understand each other.
Sometimes I succeed in thinking and acting this way, sometimes I just feel angry.