I believe that since the Biden inauguration, much of the world is breathing a small sigh of relief. I know I am. Yes, there are STILL the dissenters and non-believers and rebels, but for the most part, I think we are safer and headed for better times.
Was watching Dr Fauci on a TV news clip this morning. The man looks 10 years younger!! Like the wt of the nation and world has been shifted off his shoulders.
I can barely imagine the overwhelming psychological and emotional distress that man must have endured since the beginning of this pandemic and the disconnect with DJT. DJT. Such a professional and personal conflict. Yet he always remained the expert professional he is.
In past history, he'd have been beheaded by King Henry VIII or executed by Hitler for his dire cautionary warnings that were so contrary to DJT's.
JMHO, but the man deserves the Nobel Peace Prize for Health and this nation's highest civilian medals, the Presidential Medal of Freedom or Congressional Gold Medal.
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53 minutes ago, Tweety said:
Then Democrats would be hypocrites since that's what they campaigned on. I'm not saying we need unity with the radical QAnon right and those politicians, or that we can even achieve unity with reasonable republicans on how to get things done. But to campaign on a platform of reaching across the aisle and then say "never mind, we we're going to shove our agenda down your throat and not talk to you" doesn't make for the idea of "let the healing begin". The Democrats have the advantage of both houses and Republican no this and we can throw them under the bus, or we can do like Biden did and have a meeting and listen.
I get it though, I'm angry to at the destruction of Democracy lead by Trump and his enablers and I'm not saying pander to them. I'm just saying let's not be hypocrites and truly be the people that are interesting in "let the healing begin".
Pipe dream I know.
Are you suggesting that Biden isn't reaching across the aisle attempting to get republicans to join in the rebuilding of America? Because bipartisan unity requires more than interest and effort on the part of Biden and liberals.
I'm saying that the process should not be stalled or delayed while everyone pretends that republicans are going to unify behind some Biden policy. The GOP has shown us time and again over the past 20 years that compromise and bipartisan support are little more than talking point rhetoric for them.
It's not Biden's fault that the GOP are unwilling to unify in defense of We the People or the Republic.
Are you suggesting that Biden isn't reaching across the aisle attempting to get republicans to join in the rebuilding of America?
No that's not what I was saying, because I know he's interested in reaching across the aisle, but it appears the posters here were suggesting that he not even do that much. You said the Democrats should just legislate their agenda.
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2 minutes ago, Tweety said:
No that's not what I was saying but it appears the posters here were suggesting that he not even do that much.
Don't criticize Biden for the words or intentions of others...please. Biden wants unity but he's no fool. Biden knows exactly who and what these modern day Trump supporting republicans represent. Biden understands that his failure would be to bend to their demands and short change the American people...again...for faux concerns about austerity.
Don't criticize Biden for the words or intentions of others...please. Biden wants unity but he's no fool. Biden knows exactly who and what these modern day Trump supporting republicans represent. Biden understands that his failure would be to bend to their demands and short change the American people...again...for faux concerns about austerity.
Fascists don't compromise or unite with patriots to benefit We the People.
I'm criticizing you and others for saying Biden should just push through his agenda while acknowledging your right to have that opinion and who can blame you. I'm not criticizing Biden at all. I'm very supportive of the idea that Biden had a meeting with Republicans about the Covid relief bill.
I'm also not saying that Republicans won't do their old trick they did with Obama and try to obstruct everything. They probably are still of the mindset that they can't be seen as reaching across the aisle. But at least Biden isn't a hypocrite and is meeting with them.
Perhaps I'm not communicating well, but I made no criticism of Biden that I can see. Sorry about that.
I think Biden has done a good job at making executive orders that are in line with his campaign.
Also during the campaign he promised to the be President of everyone and he's wise to meet with Republicans to show that he at least is willing to try even if ultimately he will reject their proposal. This will make them look a lot worse when they start their obstruction. This will also look good to the scores of Republicans that are leaving or want to leave the party because of Trump.
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23 minutes ago, Tweety said:
I'm criticizing you and others for saying Biden should just push through his agenda while acknowledging your right to have that opinion and who can blame you. I'm not criticizing Biden at all. I'm very supportive of the idea that Biden had a meeting with Republicans about the Covid relief bill.
I'm also not saying that Republicans won't do their old trick they did with Obama and try to obstruct everything. They probably are still of the mindset that they can't be seen as reaching across the aisle. But at least Biden isn't a hypocrite and is meeting with them.
Perhaps I'm not communicating well, but I made not criticism of Biden that I can see. Sorry about that.
Did I say to push it through without seeking republican support? No, I did not.
I said that they should pass their agenda in earnest,understanding that republicans are going to continue to lie and mislead about THEIR intentions for unity. The Biden team can seek unity but they can't make republicans negotiate in good faith or actually govern for the people...especially now that republicans aren't in control. History tells us what these republicans want. It's not wise to ignore that history. Nearly 3/4 of the American population, including state republican leaders agree with Biden's proposal...that's pretty bipartisan. The problem appears to be with congressional republicans and the Trumpers...not Democrats.
I think Biden has done a good job at making executive orders that are in line with his campaign.
Also during the campaign he promised to the be President of everyone and he's wise to meet with Republicans to show that he at least is willing to try even if ultimately he will reject their proposal. This will make them look a lot worse when they start their obstruction. This will also look good to the scores of Republicans that are leaving or want to leave the party because of Trump.
I believe in dealing from a position of strength. Especially as we are drowning currently. I didn't vote for him to be bipartisan. I want results and quickly!
I see a progressive process of hell breaking loose. Pandemic... Recession.... Proud boys, right wingnuts revolts..... Deaths.... Even more chaos!
Save yourself when you are drowning and then reach out to save others. Especially, when the others have shown many times that they are not to be trusted even slightly. In my own life, not only do I not deal with people like that, I won't even give them the time of day! Scorpion-river-fox-ride-stung- it's in my nature! Dead!
I believe in dealing from a position of strength. Especially as we are drowning currently. I didn't vote for him to be bipartisan. I want results and quickly!
I see a progressive process of hell breaking loose. Pandemic... Recession.... Proud boys, right wingnuts revolts..... Deaths.... Even more chaos!
Save yourself when you are drowning and then reach out to save others. Especially, when the others have shown many times that they are not to be trusted even slightly. In my own life, not only do I not deal with people like that, I won't even give them the time of day! Scorpion-river-fox-ride-stung- it's in my nature! Dead!
He really isn't all that bipartisan if you look at his executive orders.
I would call having the Presidency, House and Senate a good position of power. Perhaps we'll disagree some on how to proceed. He's made it loud and clear that he's not pandering to right wing nuts, etc.
Did I say to push it through without seeking republican support? No, I did not.
Yes you did. What am I not understanding here? We truly are not communicating at all. LOL
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I dunno...democrats should just legislate their agenda, regardless of the GOP.....We don't need unity with people who can't discern truth from lies and who would break our republic to please a despot...we need relief and remedy.
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On 2/2/2021 at 8:44 AM, Tweety said:
Yes you did. What am I not understanding here? We truly are not communicating at all. LOL
Saying that he should pass his agenda regardless of the republicans isn't the same as not seeking their support. It's clear that he IS seeking their support.
Passing the agenda regardless of the republicans is a statement acknowledging that the primary goal of republicans is obstruction, not unity. Seeking unity does not require pandering to insincere obstructionists. There is zero evidence that the GOPs national leadership is interested in bipartisan efforts, they are only interested in that language. If they wanted bipartisan unity there would be evidence of such. The Republican Senate has had lots of time to show us what bipartisan governing looks like...they couldn't manage to show us either an interest in bipartisan consensus or in governing.
Biden should talk to republicans about uniting and then keep moving forward as they try to mold his agenda into their likeness with zero intention of supporting it with votes. This is their standard game.
Saying that he should pass his agenda regardless of the republicans isn't the same as not seeking their support. It's clear that he IS seeking their support.
Passing the agenda regardless of the republicans is a statement acknowledging that the primary goal of republicans is obstruction, not unity. Seeking unity does not require pandering to insincere obstructionists. There is zero evidence that the GOPs national leadership is interested in bipartisan efforts, they are only interested in that language. If they wanted bipartisan unity there would be evidence of such. The Republican Senate has had lots of time to show us what bipartisan governing looks like...they couldn't manage to show us either an interest in bipartisan consensus or in governing.
Biden should talk to republicans about uniting and then keep moving forward as they try to mold his agenda into their likeness worth zero intention of supporting it with votes. This is their standard game.
Thanks for the clarification. I pretty much agree and said the same thing essentially so not sure why went went off on this tangent. LOL
I wonder if what would progressives say if he compromised a bit say on the stimulus and instead of 1.9 trillion but not 600 billion he met somewhere in the middle and they all agreed. Would progressives get upset and call him "selling out and caving" the way the did Pelosi or would they applaud the diplomacy. Just speculating because compromise and reaching a deal is pretty much a thing of the past. Progressives being equally guilty of digging their heels in.
"[President Biden] will not slow down our work on the urgent crisis of responding to our health care and economic dual crises and he will not settle for any package that fails to meet this moment..." -White House economic adviser Jared Bernstein on negotiating with Republicans
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Are you suggesting that Biden isn't reaching across the aisle attempting to get republicans to join in the rebuilding of America? Because bipartisan unity requires more than interest and effort on the part of Biden and liberals.
I'm saying that the process should not be stalled or delayed while everyone pretends that republicans are going to unify behind some Biden policy. The GOP has shown us time and again over the past 20 years that compromise and bipartisan support are little more than talking point rhetoric for them.
It's not Biden's fault that the GOP are unwilling to unify in defense of We the People or the Republic.