Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

3 hours ago, veganista13 said:

I feel this pandemic has brought out the ignorance in medical staff. They foolishly believe everything the news and the CDC tells them. I on the other hand have always been one to question.  I don’t just follow.

Questioning is fine. In fact it’s great. On the other hand, being fooled by disinformation and choosing to reject facts and scientific data is somewhat less likely to be viewed favorably and rewarded by Darwin. 
 

3 hours ago, veganista13 said:

A lot of my experience has been anecdotal and only a fool would completely dismiss anecdotal data.  It is often the purist source of information.  And definitely has its purpose in the medical World. Anyone who scoffs at it I dismiss as incompetent and too reliant on peer reviewed research journals that often are biased and financially backed by a specific group.

Are you a nurse?!? This is just one of the most surreal paragraphs I’ve seen here, and the competition has been quite stiff this past year. 
 

You appear to be proposing that we should give unverified and in the case of an online forum, anonymous anecdotes equal weight, or even more weight, than actual peer-reviewed research where we can review the study, data and method and apply our own knowledge about research methodology to interpret it. I’m not sure if I’m meant to laugh or cry. 

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I got vaccinated and now I can bench press twice my body weight and my hair looks healthier than ever before. It’s so shiny that my coworkers now use it as a mirror.

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Who are you arguing with? Fact is, this is what people are hearing and issues like what I listed are reasons who those who refuse the vaccine are doing so. Not all are good reasons. Reasonable black people are also refusing the vaccine. As for me, I don't want the mrna. Why? Because it causes my own cells to mark themselves with disease vector. I don't care what the data says (damn lies then statistics etc), I don't want that pathology introduced into my body. I'll take a traditional vaccine such as Novavax whenever it comes out, But I don't want what's on offer. 

Reasonable black people take the vaccine.  The ones who can't reason don't.  Just like everyone else.

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2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In what world is a mandate the same thing as a choice?

It’s still a choice. A choice with consequences. 

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14 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Who are you arguing with? Fact is, this is what people are hearing and issues like what I listed are reasons who those who refuse the vaccine are doing so. Not all are good reasons. Reasonable black people are also refusing the vaccine. As for me, I don't want the mrna. Why? Because it causes my own cells to mark themselves with disease vector. I don't care what the data says (damn lies then statistics etc), I don't want that pathology introduced into my body. I'll take a traditional vaccine such as Novavax whenever it comes out, But I don't want what's on offer. 

"this is what people are hearing" because people you are spreading the misninformation.

Like 'traditional vaccines', mrna vaccines familiarize your immune system to a disease so that it can mount a more effective response, the mechanism by which mrna vaccines do that is far less prone to an unintended immune response.  And their effect in terms of triggering your immune system lasts at most of a couple of weeks, what we're seeing is what we're going to see, there's no boogeyman in the vaccine closet that is still yet to get you.

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1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In what world is a mandate the same thing as a choice? That's like the government calling taxes "voluntary." You can't be serious. 2, you talk about "long term" data on injury. How do you know the long term effects? You don't. That's what happens when you rush a drug. What if the spike protein doesn't go away? What happens if it causes auto immunity long term? We are supposed to test for this before we get to human trials of this scale. Secondly, they can't determine in many cases that the vaccine is the causitive factor. If they assume it isn't, those people injured will not show up in the data. We don't have long term safety data. We have no idea what will happen in a couple years. Let's hope we luck out. But why are you acting like everything is fine when you literally can't know that. Why? 

In this world is a "mandate" a choice.  You get to choose.  

When someone forcibly vaccinates a frightened but unvaccinated member of the country your fears will be founded...currently the fears are manufactured with the purpose of reducing vaccination levels.  Who is motivated to reduce American compliance with public health recommendations? Why are you furthering their cause?

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I have to wonder.

Why do so many doctors voluntarily vaccinate, but nurses don't?

How is this even possible?! I have to think it's education.

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37 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

As for me, I don't want the mrna. Why? Because it causes my own cells to mark themselves with disease vector. I don't care what the data says (damn lies then statistics etc), I don't want that pathology introduced into my body. I'll take a traditional vaccine such as Novavax whenever it comes out, But I don't want what's on offer. 

It’s good that you plan on getting vaccinated, but your fears regarding mRNA vaccines are unfounded.

The spike protein is not a disease ”vector”. (A mosquito is one example of a vector that can spread disease). They are just a part of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, a part that cannot cause an Covid-19 infection.

You do not introduce ”pathology” into your body. You just make your body recognize the spike protein and be able to better mount a defense should you encounter the whole disease-causing pathogen (the virus) in the future. Your body degrades the spike protein your cells made within weeks after the vaccination, just as your body breaks down other proteins. It doesn’t stick around in or on your cells.

https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/video/what-stops-body-continuing-produce-covid-19-spike-protein-after-getting-mrna-vaccine

https://www.idsociety.org/covid-19-real-time-learning-network/vaccines/vaccines-information--faq/


 

If the spike protein has you concerned, you certainly must realize that you remain susceptible and vulnerable to it considering your unvaccinated status. But you won’t just get the spike protein introduced into your body if you become infected, you will actually get the whole virus, which is what causes disease. Trying to protect yourself from the spike protein by not getting vaccinated isn’t logical. 
 


 

 

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48 minutes ago, subee said:

Reasonable black people take the vaccine.  The ones who can't reason don't.  Just like everyone else.

That is incredibly insulting to black people who have good personal reason to say no. You do realize that correct? It's interesting to me how sure of yourself you are. Like you can't be wrong about anything. I'd like to know if you think those who've had covid should still get vaccinated. Cause of you do, that's all I need to know. It will tell me how knowledgeable you are about immunology. 

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9 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I have to wonder.

Why do so many doctors voluntarily vaccinate, but nurses don't?

How is this even possible?! I have to think it's education.

It is. 

The benefits of vaccines are well documented. Someone with a solid scientific foundation likely won’t be easily swayed by disinformation, claims that flies in the face of logic, fearmongering and poorly constructed arguments. 

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7 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

That is incredibly insulting to black people who have good personal reason to say no. You do realize that correct? It's interesting to me how sure of yourself you are. Like you can't be wrong about anything. I'd like to know if you think those who've had covid should still get vaccinated. Cause of you do, that's all I need to know. It will tell me how knowledgeable you are about immunology. 

In your opinion...of course your opinion about the vaccines reflects some rather significant flaws in your thinking and conclusions which makes your subsequent opinions suspect at best.  It's kind of like if you ask your dentist what he thinks about preventing tooth decay by brushing with a new toothpaste and he tells you that prevention isn't as important as worrying about that paste. It sounds like you'd hear his ridiculous opinion and then go right back to him for another ridiculous opinion.

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14 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

It will tell me how knowledgeable you are about immunology. 

Says the person who made this comment:

"As for me, I don't want the mrna. Why? Because it causes my own cells to mark themselves with disease vector."

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2 minutes ago, Horseshoe said:

Says the person who made this comment:

"As for me, I don't want the mrna. Why? Because it causes my own cells to mark themselves with disease vector."

Incredible.

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