Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

You are responsible for your fears and distrust. 

Once again it is important to advocate for self determination based on official warning and precautions.

From the FDA website on COVID-19 vaccine

"Available data from short-term follow-up suggest that most individuals have had resolution of (Short term) symptoms. However, some individuals required intensive care support. Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes. The Comirnaty Prescribing Information includes a warning about these risks."

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

We need to give a little more grace to those who have reservations. Because we simply do not know at this time. But to dismiss those who want to wait as kooks and "Antivax" is atrocious.

We stand no higher than them because we are vaccinated. We have simply, by our own choice, chosen to be vaccinated. We are not better than anyone else. We have no moral high ground. Let's come back down and try to discuss this as professionals. 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

One of the biggest gripes with these vaccines is how it was rushed out the door. "Years of research" =\= "operation warpspeed". A Texas senate hearing with many practicing drs from various fields discussed many of the concerns people have in a fact based, evidence based way using their expertise and experience, such as natural immunity already in place. You've chosen who to trust and automatically dismiss any concerns that disagree with you. That's not how science works.

Your personal ignorance of the development of these vaccines belongs to you.  Many of us apparently have more accurate understanding of the process. I don't accept definitions about "science" from people who do not follow the science related to this pandemic and these vaccines. 

Individuals who have evidence of previous covid infection should vaccinate at their earliest convenience.  The vaccines are safe and effective and all eligible adults should vaccinate. 

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4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

No one is blindly dismissing concerns.  The unvaccinated simply refuse to believe any of the science, data, evidence or expert analysis that is in conflict with their feelings, beliefs and fears. You are responsible for your fears and distrust. 

Yes people are. People hear about reports of hyper coagulation, bells palsy, etc and they are concerned that they might get that reaction. You don't care about that. But others do and when they express those concerns they are summarily dismissed by half the country as conspiracy nut cases. The experts treat natural immunity as if it's irrelevant when we know it is relevant. People bring this point up and they are dismissed. Everything is dismissed. "Just take the jab and shut up already!!" invites distrust and that is a huge reason people are resistant to change their minds. What about this don't you understand?

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3 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

Once again it is important to advocate for self determination based on official warning and precautions.

From the FDA website on COVID-19 vaccine

"Available data from short-term follow-up suggest that most individuals have had resolution of (Short term) symptoms. However, some individuals required intensive care support. Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes. The Comirnaty Prescribing Information includes a warning about these risks."

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

We need to give a little more grace to those who have reservations. Because we simply do not know at this time. But to dismiss those who want to wait as kooks and "Antivax" is atrocious.

We stand no higher than them because we are vaccinated. We have simply, by our own choice, chosen to be vaccinated. We are not better than anyone else. We have no moral high ground. Let's come back down and try to discuss this as professionals. 

 

 

We are not better. You are right. But we seem better-informed than those who base their decisions on anecdotes and irrational fears.

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6 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

Once again it is important to advocate for self determination based on official warning and precautions.

From the FDA website on COVID-19 vaccine

"Available data from short-term follow-up suggest that most individuals have had resolution of (Short term) symptoms. However, some individuals required intensive care support. Information is not yet available about potential long-term health outcomes. The Comirnaty Prescribing Information includes a warning about these risks."

https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine

 

We need to give a little more grace to those who have reservations. Because we simply do not know at this time. But to dismiss those who want to wait as kooks and "Antivax" is atrocious.

We stand no higher than them because we are vaccinated. We have simply, by our own choice, chosen to be vaccinated. We are not better than anyone else. We have no moral high ground. Let's come back down and try to discuss this as professionals. 

 

 

Go right ahead and sympathise with the fears of the unvaccinated...you do you.  That's not the typical attitude or goal of public health initiatives but antivaxxers don't care much about community goals...they are too concerned with their own unfounded fears and concerns. 

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8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Yes people are. People hear about reports of hyper coagulation, bells palsy, etc and they are concerned that they might get that reaction. You don't care about that. But others do and when they express those concerns they are summarily dismissed by half the country as conspiracy nut cases. The experts treat natural immunity as if it's irrelevant when we know it is relevant. People bring this point up and they are dismissed. Everything is dismissed. "Just take the jab and shut up already!!" invites distrust and that is a huge reason people are resistant to change their minds. What about this don't you understand?

Right.  I don't care about the feelings of people who would rather feed their fears and endanger their communities, work environments and homes because they are afraid to vaccinate with the safe and effective vaccines.  

You are making excuses for people not vaccinating.  Now the excuse is because people are talking mean...

Emotional reasons to remain unvaccinated simply bounce from one emotional excuse to another.  There are no valid reasons to remain unvaccinated at this time other than medical contraindication. 

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5 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

base their decisions on anecdotes and irrational fears

So, If I may, How do you address the concern on the lack of known long term side effects? I feel like I have no good answer for my family/patients because of this official position. 

1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

There are no valid reasons to remain unvaccinated at this time other than medical contraindication. 

I will pose the same question I did to Smiling. How do you address the concern on the lack of known long term side effects?

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17 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

So, If I may, How do you address the concern on the lack of known long term side effects? I feel like I have no good answer for my family/patients because of this official position. 

I get back to basics. The potential for  death and disability from actual COVID infection, is FAR FAR greater than any brought about by vaccination. It's exactly what I tell my vaccine-hesitant family members. Most of whom did change their minds. Those who did not, I only pray they don't get sick and die or develop the dreaded "long haulers'" syndrome. That's how I handle it. Most don't want to hear scientific gobbledy-gook. They understandably want to know how the vaccine and disease may affect them.

Not ONE person I know has developed any issues with vaccination. But I have lost two family members to the disease. Anecdote, but I remind the others in my family about those deaths.

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9 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

We are not better. You are right. But we seem better-informed than those who base their decisions on anecdotes and irrational fears.

But can you understand their point of view? The message is all over the place. "Wear a mask! Don't wear a mask! Wear two masks alone in the woods!!" People are being told "get vaxxed or get out!" in new York City. People are confined to 1 kilometer from they're homes in Australia over a very few cases. The experts supplying the data are part of the same group trying to force people against their will. Meanwhile there is a large group of grifters passing conspiracy theories, but at least they sound like THEY take the concerns seriously. Who are the hesitant going to trust? The totalitarian killing jobs and forcing people against their will? or the crazy guy on the street corner? The truth is in the middle. Fact is, natural immunity is effective, there ARE serious risks, many people have very low risk to serious disease, but this group of facts is pushed toward the side of the actual crazy people. You guys who are so critical of the "hesitant" are only contributing to the distrust. I do not think the risk is high. But I at least respect the serious nature of the risk. You guys on the sure of yourself  side don't respect any risk whatsoever. That is why people don't trust you. And if they don't trust you, they may not trust your data either. See my point?

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4 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

The potential for  death and disability is FAR FAR greater than any brought about by vaccination.

     So, if I understand your position, you educate that the real risk of COVID infection (death or long haul) is worse than the unknown risk of long term side effects?

Not trying to misrepresent your point. Just to clarify.

 

So how can we give such a sure claim that the acute is worse than the chronic side effects?

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18 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:
20 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

 

I will pose the same question I did to Smiling. How do you address the concern on the lack of known long term side effects?

It's a contrived concern intended to create fear and hesitancy about vaccination. 

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

But can you understand their point of view? The message is all over the place. "Wear a mask! Don't wear a mask! Wear two masks alone in the woods!!" People are being told "get vaxxed or get out!" in new York City. People are confined to 1 kilometer from they're homes in Australia over a very few cases. The experts supplying the data are part of the same group trying to force people against their will. Meanwhile there is a large group of grifters passing conspiracy theories, but at least they sound like THEY take the concerns seriously. Who are the hesitant going to trust? The totalitarian killing jobs and forcing people against their will? or the crazy guy on the street corner? The truth is in the middle. Fact is, natural immunity is effective, there ARE serious risks, many people have very low risk to serious disease, but this group of facts is pushed toward the side of the actual crazy people. You guys who are so critical of the "hesitant" are only contributing to the distrust. I do not think the risk is high. But I at least respect the serious nature of the risk. You guys on the sure of yourself  side don't respect any risk whatsoever. That is why people don't trust you. And if they don't trust you, they may not trust your data either. See my point?

Surprisingly, I do understand. I can comprehend fears and distrust. But I can overcome them by education and information.

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