Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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4 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

     So, if I understand your position, you educate that the real risk of COVID infection (death or long haul) is worse than the unknown risk of long term side effects?

Not trying to misrepresent your point. Just to clarify.

 

So how can we give such a sure claim that the acute is worse than the chronic side effects?

The evidence is pretty clear that the vaccines are safe and effective.  Why are you ignoring the evidence and data?

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1 minute ago, DaveICURN said:

     So, if I understand your position, you educate that the real risk of COVID infection (death or long haul) is worse than the unknown risk of long term side effects?

Not trying to misrepresent your point. Just to clarify.

 

So how can we give such a sure claim that the acute is worse than the chronic side effects?

Again by reading and using the science. And statistics. I use those.

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2 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Surprisingly, I do understand. I can comprehend fears and distrust. But I can overcome them by education and information.

That's great. I hope you can also accept that as long as the "sure of yourselves" side of this debate continues to demonize legitimate concerns, nobody from the hesitant side will listen to your education or information. 

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No one is demonizing anyone. Disagreement does not equal demonizing. Just as disputing feelings presented as fact is not, in fact, bullying.

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2 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Why are you ignoring the evidence and data?

 

2 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Again by reading and using the science

But the official governmental agencies who approved the vaccine give a warning about the unknown long term side effects. Forgive me for being blunt, but I am not the one ignoring the science.

I am trying to reconcile the paradoxical doublespeak of trying to inform my patients and loved ones, while at the same time maintain the integrity of my education. 

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8 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

 

But the official governmental agencies who approved the vaccine give a warning about the unknown long term side effects. Forgive me for being blunt, but I am not the one ignoring the science.

I am trying to reconcile the paradoxical doublespeak of trying to inform my patients and loved ones, while at the same time maintain the integrity of my education. 

Really?

It seems more like you are just sympathizing with the fears and concerns of the unvaccinated. 

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59 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Your personal ignorance of the development of these vaccines belongs to you.  Many of us apparently have more accurate understanding of the process. I don't accept definitions about "science" from people who do not follow the science related to this pandemic and these vaccines. 

Individuals who have evidence of previous covid infection should vaccinate at their earliest convenience.  The vaccines are safe and effective and all eligible adults should vaccinate. 

I half disagree with you. The following study says two things to me. 1) disease induced immunity is effective at least 1 year after infection regardless (I repeat, REGARDLESS) of subsequent vaccination and subsequent vaccination increases the potency of natural immunity. 2) nobody under this study got covid one year post infection regardless of vaccination status. 

From the study [brackets added by me for emphasis]: "The data suggest that immunity in convalescent [that includes unvaccinated, post infection individuals] individuals will be very long lasting and that convalescent individuals who receive available mRNA vaccines will produce antibodies and memory B cells that should be protective against circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants."

So while I agree with you vaccines do enhance the immune response from natural immunity, unvaccinated people were still covid free. Why might that be? Do we actually need that extra boost? That isn't clear to me at this time.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I half disagree with you. The following study says two things to me. 1) disease induced immunity is effective at least 1 year after infection regardless (I repeat, REGARDLESS) of subsequent vaccination and subsequent vaccination increases the potency of natural immunity. 2) nobody under this study got covid one year post infection regardless of vaccination status. 

From the study [brackets added by me for emphasis]: "The data suggest that immunity in convalescent [that includes unvaccinated, post infection individuals] individuals will be very long lasting and that convalescent individuals who receive available mRNA vaccines will produce antibodies and memory B cells that should be protective against circulating SARS-CoV-2 variants."

So while I agree with you vaccines do enhance the immune response from natural immunity, unvaccinated people were still covid free. Why might that be? Do we actually need that extra boost? That isn't clear to me at this time.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03696-9

Gosh.  Which coronaviruses have we developed long term immunity to after infection? 

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If you are leaving because you don't want be vaccinated, where will you find another job?

Do at home jobs pay as much as hospitals?  Do you think you will be able to find an employer who will not require a vaccination?  Just curious as to what your thinking is about finding another job.

Just heard the Delta airline will charge unvaxxed employees a $200 month healthcare surcharge.

I know there is a nursing shortage but this seems like it will be a tough job search.

 

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41 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

No one is demonizing anyone. Disagreement does not equal demonizing. Just as disputing feelings presented as fact is not, in fact, bullying.

I believe you don't intend to demonize people in good faith. But you have to understand, your side IS doing it. By aligning yourself with the dismissal narrative, rather than taking a middle ground position, you are dismissing by proxy. For example, "yes there are very serious potential risks and if you are obese, elderly, or have x,y,z comorbidities that risk is worth taking!". That's what I tell people. To educate effectively people need to trust you. Otherwise, they will ignore you. The hesitant aren't insane or stupid (most of them anyway). Most are ignorant about medicine and are hearing two sides with conflicting information. Our job as nurses is to give good, accurate  information effectively so people can make up their own mind. If they refuse, it's not your job to force the issue. I hear too many nurses  doing just that. We need to stop playing into the politics of this. Otherwise we are hurting those we are trying to help. 

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11 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Gosh.  Which coronaviruses have we developed long term immunity to after infection? 

Well this study covered covid. You should read it. But corona virus is a very broad family which includes the common cold and there's a robust immunity to that as well. 

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34 minutes ago, Jordee said:

If you are leaving because you don't want be vaccinated, where will you find another job?

Do at home jobs pay as much as hospitals?  Do you think you will be able to find an employer who will not require a vaccination?  Just curious as to what your thinking is about finding another job.

Just heard the Delta airline will charge unvaxxed employees a $200 month healthcare surcharge.

I know there is a nursing shortage but this seems like it will be a tough job search.

 

There are hospitals that are allowing a COVID negative test. I’m a travel nurse so I read all the different jobs available.  There are hospitals not mandating it. Hospitals are lowest pay from my experience unless you’re float, PRN or traveler. There are lots of other jobs available that pay more. Not all are mandating thankfully. 

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