Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

[jive turkey]

For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

[toomuchbaloney]

8 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

With respect, I believe Vegan has completed some of the scientific method. 

Question

Research

Hypothesis

Testing

Analyze

Communicate

While some methods are not possible on a personal scale, it marks the right boxes. All research should be scrutinized and questioned. Nothing is clear cut and perfect. 

Baloney. 

 

[veganista13]

35 minutes ago, subee said:

For the umpteenth time:  NO ONE is going to wrestle you to the ground to give you a vaccine.  You just can't work in a hospital or most other places.  Your freedom, your choice.

?‍♀️ yes we know no one is forcing it physically. But if I want to provide for my family in the profession I worked hard for them I’m being forced to submit. They’ve given an ultimatum. You know that’s what everyone is implying but you are taking the words too literal.  

[Horseshoe, BSN, RN]

21 minutes ago, subee said:

Research?  Where did V research that medical staffs were stupid or that people are dying with or without the vaccine?  I'd like them to show me some proof of that.  There wasn't one truthful statement in this word salad.  Doesn't believe in peer-reviewed studies?  How does one exactly do research without them?

You do it with anecdotes! Forget about properly conducted research studies, anecdotes are the way to go! And if you dismiss anecdotes, that means you are "incompetent". So forget that silly science and log onto facebook or Youtube or listen to Aunt Millie or the dude at the grocery store or the antivaxxer at work. That's where the truth lies! 

[DaveICURN]

44 minutes ago, subee said:

I'd like them to show me some proof of that.

Well I did not assert the argument, but I am trying to play the devils advocate so I will assist to a degree,

"As of April 20, the CDC has indeed reported a total of 7,157 cases of COVID-19 among fully vaccinated people and 88 deaths."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/30/fact-check-misleading-claim-deaths-fully-vaccinated-people/4856504001/

CDC-https://www.CDC.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

 

Being a provider does not mean that they are immune from having opinions or being "stupid". Yes these are opinions, but I bet the majority have all worked with a provider who we wonder how they are still practicing.

 

All research is done and submitted prior to being peer reviewed. Just because something is not Peer-Reviewed does not mean it is worthless. 

[toomuchbaloney]

1 hour ago, veganista13 said:

?‍♀️ yes we know no one is forcing it physically. But if I want to provide for my family in the profession I worked hard for them I’m being forced to submit. They’ve given an ultimatum. You know that’s what everyone is implying but you are taking the words too literal.  

Nope.

You are only forced to make a choice.  You've decided that remaining unvaccinated is more important to you than your employment. 

[salandit]

But imagine a world where our cases were only 7100+ with 88 deaths because everyone was vaccinated. We would finally be on the other side of the pandemic.

[10GaugeNeedles, BSN]

35 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Nope.

You are only forced to make a choice.  You've decided that remaining unvaccinated is more important to you than your employment. 

And what would you say to someone who has been harmed by a vaccine (this does happen), but they are told to take a second dose or be fired? Is it still a choice at that point? It's not called a choice. It's called a "mandate". Why are you calling it a choice? That's not what a mandate is. New York is mandating got the entire city. That's not a choice. It's an offer you can't refuse. Let's not forget hat is the real problem here.

[subee, MSN, CRNA]

57 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

Well I did not assert the argument, but I am trying to play the devils advocate so I will assist to a degree,

"As of April 20, the CDC has indeed reported a total of 7,157 cases of COVID-19 among fully vaccinated people and 88 deaths."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/04/30/fact-check-misleading-claim-deaths-fully-vaccinated-people/4856504001/

CDC-https://www.CDC.gov/vaccines/covid-19/health-departments/breakthrough-cases.html

 

Being a provider does not mean that they are immune from having opinions or being "stupid". Yes these are opinions, but I bet the majority have all worked with a provider who we wonder how they are still practicing.

 

All research is done and submitted prior to being peer reviewed. Just because something is not Peer-Reviewed does not mean it is worthless. 

That is true but V denigrates   peer reviewing but instead listens to anecdotes as :evidence."  

1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And what would you say to someone who has been harmed by a vaccine (this does happen), but they are told to take a second dose or be fired? Is it still a choice at that point? It's not called a choice. It's called a "mandate". Why are you calling it a choice? That's not a mandate is. New York is mandating got the entire city. That's not a choice. It's an offer you can't refuse. Let's not forget hat is the real problem here.

Can you give an example of someone who suffered long-term harm?

[toomuchbaloney]

2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And what would you say to someone who has been harmed by a vaccine (this does happen), but they are told to take a second dose or be fired? Is it still a choice at that point? It's not called a choice. It's called a "mandate". Why are you calling it a choice? That's not a mandate is. New York is mandating got the entire city. That's not a choice. It's an offer you can't refuse. Let's not forget hat is the real problem here.

Baloney.

No one who has a clear medical contraindication is expected to vaccinate. 

You are choosing to make simplistic arguments in defense of remaining unvaccinated.  The real problem is eligible adults refusing to vaccinate for stupid reasons.

[salandit]

2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And what would you say to someone who has been harmed by a vaccine (this does happen), but they are told to take a second dose or be fired? Is it still a choice at that point? It's not called a choice. It's called a "mandate". Why are you calling it a choice? That's not what a mandate is. New York is mandating got the entire city. That's not a choice. It's an offer you can't refuse. Let's not forget hat is the real problem here.

Is there evidence of second doses being required despite issues with the first dose in these mandates? I would personally hope there are exceptions in these cases, because the point isn’t to cause harm to individuals and they’d be partially protected already. However, I think that uncomfortable side effects should be differentiated from actual patient harm, because I’m not sure that some individuals understand the difference.

[10GaugeNeedles, BSN]

3 minutes ago, subee said:

That is true but V denigrates   peer reviewing but instead listens to anecdotes as :evidence."  

Can you give an example of someone who suffered long-term harm?

"Long term harm?" What does long term mean in this context? I could give you reports from CDC about carditis, anaphylaxis, sensory loss, hyper coagulation, bells palsy, I mean, I thought we'd all heard of these negative effects? 

[10GaugeNeedles, BSN]

4 minutes ago, salandit said:

Is there evidence of second doses being required despite issues with the first dose in these mandates? I would personally hope there are exceptions in these cases, because the point isn’t to cause harm to individuals and they’d be partially protected already. However, I think that uncomfortable side effects should be differentiated from actual patient harm, because I’m not sure that some individuals understand the difference.

I'm illustrating what can happen when mandates are involved. You called it a choice. It is not a choice by definition. It is a mandate. When mandates happen, things like I described tend to happen. It is not good to excuse mandates by calling them a "choice".