Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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1 hour ago, litepath2 said:

By Definition, these COVID vaccines are failed vaccines.

By definition this is crap opinion not based in reality. 

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1 hour ago, litepath2 said:

I said, what I said. You have evidence in support of your argument?

https://www.statnews.com/2017/01/10/moderna-trouble-mrna/

Lack of publishing papers could be another reason they don't inspire confidence: https://www.nature.com/articles/nbt.3488

Lack of transparency hasn't helped: https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n627

By Definition, these COVID vaccines are failed vaccines.

Have a Great Day!

1.  Statnews is a conspiracy infused website and is hardly the "news." Check mediabias for this.

2.  This article is from 2016.  Things are different now in this Covid age where large amounts of research documents had to be disseminated quickly.

3.  These leaks came from unknown emailers but let's assume that they were coming from the scientists.  Their complaint was that the first Covid doses didn't have sufficient levels of RNA so they believe that higher levels of RNA are a Good and Necessary component of a safe and efficient vaccine.

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5 hours ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

Please point out the bullying. I don't see it.

 

You don't see air so does that mean it's not there?

For real though, if you don't see it then you haven't read the threads, haven't been paying attention, or are turning a blind eye to it.  

 

 

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2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

You don't see air so does that mean it's not there?

For real though, if you don't see it then you haven't read the threads, haven't been paying attention, or are turning a blind eye to it.  

 

 

Violence of the electrons?

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21 hours ago, anewsns said:

https://www.scu.edu/ethics/ethics-resources/ethical-decision-making/rights/

Eh, this article has a starting argument that I'm not sure tracks;

"What is a right? A right is a justified claim on others. For example, if I have a right to freedom, then I have a justified claim to be left alone by others. Turned around, I can say that others have a duty or responsibility to leave me alone. If I have a right to an education, then I have a justified claim to be provided with an education by society."

Seeing as they chose to redefine "Right" from a philosophical standpoint is interesting. I remember a bit of Kant, but I need a refresher myself before I can fully remember his ideals. 

 

 

Our hospital has taken the stance that the vaccine is not mandatory at this time for those who are already working. Though all new hires, transfers, or those who wish to be promoted must be vaccinated.

Those who choose not to be vaccinated must wear their mask at all times, as we all do, and complete 1 random test a week.

I took the vaccine to be considered for advancement in my hospital. Otherwise I would not have, yet. I had covid in 2020 and was feverish and sweating for a week. Received the J&J in 2021 and was equally sick for 2 days. I have no antibodies, and no test can confirm immunity status at this time. 

I fully support my fellow ICU nurses who want to wait on receiving the vaccine. Both my 28y/o peer and my 61 y/o peer, have their reasons and are by no means ignorant on the outcomes of people with covid. But they have made a choice and I respect that choice. It hurts that they could contract this and, in the case of my elder peer, die. But they are aware of the risks. They are adults. So I will love them now and hopefully never mourn their passing. 

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I feel this pandemic has brought out the ignorance in medical staff. They foolishly believe everything the news and the CDC tells them. I on the other hand have always been one to question.  I don’t just follow blindly. I don’t believe everything the CDC and the FDA says. Mainly cause they contradict themselves often and there are also political and financial ties to what they say. A lot of my experience has been anecdotal and only a fool would completely dismiss anecdotal data.  It is often the purist source of information.  And definitely has its purpose in the medical World. Anyone who scoffs at it I dismiss as incompetent and too reliant on peer reviewed research journals that often are biased and financially backed by a specific group. 
 

With this in mind, I do believe everyone has the right to make their own decision. About vaccines and everything else. Just because someone is vaccinated doesn’t mean they are immune to spreading disease…in fact it would seem they are primary spreaders of COVID right now. And just because someone chooses to not be vaccinated doesn’t mean they are an incubus of viral plague.  People have died from COVID with and without the vaccine. People have had terrible effects from COVID with and without the vaccine. It’s not a guarantee. So from a medical standpoint, why mandate it? It makes sense to mandate from a political standpoint, not to mention the manufacturers have made billions ?.  Even with it being fda approved I question it’s safety and validity. I mean come on, aspartame has been causing cancer for decades and how long did it take the fda to finally admit it? Be smart you guys! Don’t take everything the CDC says to be true. 
 

Your unvaccinated co workers are not enemies and are not bad people. You will want them around after they are terminated and your workload doubles. Then YOU are putting your patients at risk for taking those assignments. And you still could give your patients COVID because the vaccine can still transmit COVID. 
 

so to answer the question…no I don’t support the mandate. Let people choose. This is a country made off freedom. If you want to force that crap on people do it in China or North Korea.  

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3 minutes ago, veganista13 said:

I feel this pandemic has brought out the ignorance in medical staff. They foolishly believe everything the news and the CDC tells them. I on the other hand have always been one to question.  I don’t just follow blindly. I don’t believe everything the CDC and the FDA says. Mainly cause they contradict themselves often and there are also political and financial ties to what they say. A lot of my experience has been anecdotal and only a fool would completely dismiss anecdotal data.  It is often the purist source of information.  And definitely has its purpose in the medical World. Anyone who scoffs at it I dismiss as incompetent and too reliant on peer reviewed research journals that often are biased and financially backed by a specific group. 
 

With this in mind, I do believe everyone has the right to make their own decision. About vaccines and everything else. Just because someone is vaccinated doesn’t mean they are immune to spreading disease…in fact it would seem they are primary spreaders of COVID right now. And just because someone chooses to not be vaccinated doesn’t mean they are an incubus of viral plague.  People have died from COVID with and without the vaccine. People have had terrible effects from COVID with and without the vaccine. It’s not a guarantee. So from a medical standpoint, why mandate it? It makes sense to mandate from a political standpoint, not to mention the manufacturers have made billions ?.  Even with it being fda approved I question it’s safety and validity. I mean come on, aspartame has been causing cancer for decades and how long did it take the fda to finally admit it? Be smart you guys! Don’t take everything the CDC says to be true. 
 

Your unvaccinated co workers are not enemies and are not bad people. You will want them around after they are terminated and your workload doubles. Then YOU are putting your patients at risk for taking those assignments. And you still could give your patients COVID because the vaccine can still transmit COVID. 
 

so to answer the question…no I don’t support the mandate. Let people choose. This is a country made off freedom. If you want to force that crap on people do it in China or North Korea.  

For the umpteenth time:  NO ONE is going to wrestle you to the ground to give you a vaccine.  You just can't work in a hospital or most other places.  Your freedom, your choice.

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On 8/23/2021 at 2:32 PM, toomuchbaloney said:

 

Another one who doesn’t grasp the scientific process or the concept of risk reduction.

A suggestion that appeared on my facebook page: let’s fire all the doctors, NPs, PAs and nurses and staff our hospitals with people who have done their research.

ETA: don’t know why TMB was quoted - glitch, I guess.

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1st: those who choose not to get vaccined have every right to. But employers also have the right to not employ them. The government however does not engender trust by mandating a prophylactic (let me explain). Given the number of "break out" cases and the statements from gov I've seen that suggest the vaccine isn't for stopping spread but for limiting symptoms, this vaccine is the very definition of a prophylactic (that is the benefit). The risk is related to the action. Your own cells produce the disease vector. That is a problem imo which can lead to the symptoms reported such as pericarditis, dvt etc, and nervous system effects, bells palsy, etc, many reported. I don't believe it's as bad as some claim (sterility, magnets, and bears OH MY!), But the benefit to me being pretty much just prophylaxis against something mostly mild in my cohort and the risks being very real and potentially disastrous, I'm not interested. I'm tired of hearing the shaming language. People that don't want it often have good reasons for not wanting it. Also, let's not forget what am anecdote is (I see allot of people saying essentially "anecdotes don't count!"). If you are the lucky 1 it of 100,000 to get the unlucky outcome, your bad outcome is an anecdote. I'm sure you prefer not getting that rare but still negative anecdotal situation and wish you could have gone back and decided to avoid the risk of a rare negative outcome of the risks outweighed the benefit. If I risk a stroke to avoid a cold, it's not worth it to me. Now, on to the real point...

2nd I'm a travel nurse. I have decided to avoid states and hospitals where mandates are or likely will be in place. If I'm under a mandate while on assignment, I will move on to a hospital where there is no mandate. If not possible I will look into truck driving and keep my license ready to go in case things change. If a non mrna vaccine becomes available ill gladly take a traditional vaccine such as Novavax which will hopefully be available this fall. I do not like the idea of producing the disease vector on my own cells and running the risk of an autoimmune response. I've seen enough to be concerned. How do I feel about having to skip around thecountry like this? Meh, that's what I was doing anyway. So that's my $0.02.

 

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There are no good reasons to not vaccinate at this point...there are excuses. 

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6 minutes ago, heron said:

Another one who doesn’t grasp the scientific process or the concept

With respect, I believe Vegan has completed some of the scientific method. 

Question

Research

Hypothesis

Testing

Analyze

Communicate

While some methods are not possible on a personal scale, it marks the right boxes. All research should be scrutinized and questioned. Nothing is clear cut and perfect. 

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2 minutes ago, DaveICURN said:

With respect, I believe Vegan has completed some of the scientific method. 

Question

Research

Hypothesis

Testing

Analyze

Communicate

While some methods are not possible on a personal scale, it marks the right boxes. All research should be scrutinized and questioned. Nothing is clear cut and perfect. 

Research?  Where did V research that medical staffs were stupid or that people are dying with or without the vaccine?  I'd like them to show me some proof of that.  There wasn't one truthful statement in this word salad.  Doesn't believe in peer-reviewed studies?  How does one exactly do research without them?

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