Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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6 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

"Long term harm?" What does long term mean in this context? I could give you reports from CDC about carditis, anaphylaxis, sensory loss, hyper coagulation, bells palsy, I mean, I thought we'd all heard of these negative effects? 

Are those the long term issues that cause people to remain unvaccinated? 

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And the resounding noise of goal posts being moved is deafening.

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Are those the long term issues that cause people to remain unvaccinated? 

Many people are afraid of these reports and they say to themselves "this is real risk, but for what?" And then they hear CDC reports about hundreds of breakthrough in fully vaxxed, statements that it doesn't stop transmission but just limits symptoms, etc, etc, and they think "I mean, what's the point? Plus it could harm me? I'm not doin it." They hear the government telling them they MUST DO something that is admittedly experimental and think "I'm not scared of a flu. You can't tell me what to do." My point is your question is complicated to answer. Black people are well aware of the tuskegee episode; there's another reason. The answer to your question is "all the above." 

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I'm illustrating what can happen when mandates are involved. You called it a choice. It is not a choice by definition. It is a mandate. When mandates happen, things like I described tend to happen. It is not good to excuse mandates by calling them a "choice".  

Yes, it's a choice..  You are unwilling to do what a  reasonable practitioner in health care do gladly to keep hospitals a safe place to work and heal.  And as previous post a about long term effects, they are only temporary.  I'm not sure why my words are getting underlined here..I'm not doing it intentionally.   The myocarditis l in young people is self limited without long term consequences.  The other things you listed are all mostly self limiting with lesser occurrence that one would experience if they had Covid.  The standard figure is 98% for the docs Vax rates.  Are they suffering  long term consequences?  If they were, wouldn't that be big news that Fox would be all over?

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2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Many people are afraid of these reports and they say to themselves "this is real risk, but for what?" And then they hear CDC reports about hundreds of breakthrough in fully vaxxed, statements that it doesn't stop transmission but just limits symptoms, etc, etc, and they think "I mean, what's the point? Plus it could harm me? I'm not doin it." They hear the government telling them they MUST DO something that is admittedly experimental and think "I'm not scared of a flu. You can't tell me what to do." My point is your question is complicated to answer. Black people are well aware of the tuskegee episode; there's another reason. The answer to your question is "all the above." 

Those people are living in fear rather than seeking the reassurances of facts, data, evidence and expert analysis. People of color are hesitant and open to facts.  White unvaccinated folk are much more likely to ignore facts to focus upon fears and feelings and verbalize little intention to change their minds. 

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2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Many people are afraid of these reports and they say to themselves "this is real risk, but for what?" And then they hear CDC reports about hundreds of breakthrough in fully vaxxed, statements that it doesn't stop transmission but just limits symptoms, etc, etc, and they think "I mean, what's the point? Plus it could harm me? I'm not doin it." They hear the government telling them they MUST DO something that is admittedly experimental and think "I'm not scared of a flu. You can't tell me what to do." My point is your question is complicated to answer. Black people are well aware of the tuskegee episode; there's another reason. The answer to your question is "all the above." 

But reasonable black people are being vaccinated and don't use some awful thing that happened in the distant past as an excuse.  Using that same logic, I  could say that I hate all living Germans because of the holocaust and would never take a life saving medication because it was manufactured in Germany.  

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Completely preventable surge and wondering WTH unvaccinated nurses are afraid of. Apparently not afraid of covid but vaccine reactions? Not rational. 

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Those people are living in fear rather than seeking the reassurances of facts, data, evidence and expert analysis. People of color are hesitant and open to facts.  White unvaccinated folk are much more likely to ignore facts to focus upon fears and feelings and verbalize little intention to change their minds. 

In what world is a mandate the same thing as a choice? That's like the government calling taxes "voluntary." You can't be serious. 2, you talk about "long term" data on injury. How do you know the long term effects? You don't. That's what happens when you rush a drug. What if the spike protein doesn't go away? What happens if it causes auto immunity long term? We are supposed to test for this before we get to human trials of this scale. Secondly, they can't determine in many cases that the vaccine is the causitive factor. If they assume it isn't, those people injured will not show up in the data. We don't have long term safety data. We have no idea what will happen in a couple years. Let's hope we luck out. But why are you acting like everything is fine when you literally can't know that. Why? 

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We are in a global pandemic if the unvaccinated cannot tolerate mandates that prevent hospitalizations and death please go live on an island somewhere because your selfishness is appalling. 

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In what world is a mandate the same thing as a choice? That's like the government calling taxes "voluntary." You can't be serious. 2, you talk about "long term" data on injury. How do you know the long term effects? You don't. That's what happens when you rush a drug. What if the spike protein doesn't go away? What happens if it causes auto immunity long term? We are supposed to test for this before we get to human trials of this scale. Secondly, they can't determine in many cases that the vaccine is the causitive factor. If they assume it isn't, those people injured will not show up in the data. We don't have long term safety data. We have no idea what will happen in a couple years. Let's hope we luck out. But why are you acting like everything is fine when you literally can't know that. Why? 

We KNOW because the side effects you list go away.  Maybe the vaccine will make broccoli grow from my ears.  Where does your universe of side effects end?  Our food supply is more dangerous than the vaccine.

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3 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

In what world is a mandate the same thing as a choice? That's like the government calling taxes "voluntary." You can't be serious. 2, you talk about "long term" data on injury. How do you know the long term effects? You don't. That's what happens when you rush a drug. What if the spike protein doesn't go away? What happens if it causes auto immunity long term? We are supposed to test for this before we get to human trials of this scale. Secondly, they can't determine in many cases that the vaccine is the causitive factor. If they assume it isn't, those people injured will not show up in the data. We don't have long term safety data. We have no idea what will happen in a couple years. Let's hope we luck out. But why are you acting like everything is fine when you literally can't know that. Why? 

LOL

You keep mentioning your anxiety about long term effects of vaccines...that's your amygdala getting the best of you.  When antivaxxers start applying new standards to the scientific evaluation of pharmaceuticals you know they don't have any real science to support their fears.  

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4 minutes ago, subee said:

But reasonable black people are being vaccinated and don't use some awful thing that happened in the distant past as an excuse.  Using that same logic, I  could say that I hate all living Germans because of the holocaust and would never take a life saving medication because it was manufactured in Germany.  

Who are you arguing with? Fact is, this is what people are hearing and issues like what I listed are reasons who those who refuse the vaccine are doing so. Not all are good reasons. Reasonable black people are also refusing the vaccine. As for me, I don't want the mrna. Why? Because it causes my own cells to mark themselves with disease vector. I don't care what the data says (damn lies then statistics etc), I don't want that pathology introduced into my body. I'll take a traditional vaccine such as Novavax whenever it comes out, But I don't want what's on offer. 

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