Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

heron, ASN, RN · Aug 27, 2021

16 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

My point is an attitude like the one you share isn't encouraging vaccinations among the hesitant.

Nobody said repress your feelings. Exercise the talent of managing them more effectively. We do that all the time. COVID is not the only challenge we've dealt with in the field.

I'll respectfully agree to disagree with you. If you feel bearing animosity is increasing vaccinations there's nothing I can say to you bro.

I think China shares your perspective with how to deal with the public.

I didn’t say that I should be flogging the unvaccinated, just that they need to face the consequences of their behavior, which includes the responses of people who have to deal with the unnecessary morbidity and mortality to which they contribute by ignoring the need for risk reduction. It isn’t pretty or nice but it may be therapeutic.

And please don’t patronize me - Covid isn’t my first rodeo. In 49 years at the bedside, I’ve had to utilize the whole range of communication styles under much more difficult conditions than this. As I said before, in my experience, refractory denial of the kind we’re seeing in the voluntarily unvaccinated seldom responds to gentle circumlocutions.

We’ve had almost a year and a half of polite attempts to explain the science and address the fears of the hesitant. (And that’s not counting the years of addressing antivaxxers before Covid happened.) And here we are, with hospital systems in at least six states (that I can name off the top of my head) in the process of collapsing completely and the bill for Covid care climbing into the billions. And still, even those who supposed to understand the science refuse to face the need for meaningful risk-reduction.

I get the fears of totalitarian government take-overs. I also get the sneaky little attempt to invalidate my viewpoint by implying that I might be a communist. (China? Really?) Those who are truly concerned about totalitarianism taking hold here should contemplate the historical context of such take-overs in the past: shattered economies, extreme wealth gaps and a severe lack of basic necessities - like healthcare. The most effective way to ensure totalitarian action is to prolong this pandemic.

QB11, CNA · Aug 27, 2021

On 8/20/2021 at 4:47 PM, jive turkey said:

For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice?

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not.

I was not happy about it, but I respect that they are trying to avoid another disaster ?. Most employers in my State (NY), will be/ are requiring the vaccine for new hires as well and now that Pfizer is fully approved many more states and companies will follow suit. Leaving my job is not an option for me, I am a nursing student and the bills still have to get paid, plus most nursing programs want vaccines in order to do clinical. I do not think it sounds good explaining to a new employer that I quit my previous job in Healthcare because of vaccine mandates.

subee, MSN, CRNA · Aug 27, 2021

3 minutes ago, QB11 said:

I was not happy about it, but I respect that they are trying to avoid another disaster ?. Most employers in my State (NY), will be/ are requiring the vaccine for new hires as well and now that Pfizer is fully approved many more states and companies will follow suit. Leaving my job is not an option for me, I am a nursing student and the bills still have to get paid, plus most nursing programs want vaccines in order to do clinical. I do not think it sounds good explaining to a new employer that I quit my previous job in Healthcare because of vaccine mandates.

And your reasoning is why I believe that most employed nurses won't walk off their jobs. Maybe the people that are adamently anti-vax and very close to retirement who thinks the loss in income is sustainable are the biggest chunk of people leaving. But, that's too bad, because people are going to get vaccinated and the sun will continue to rise without incident since it is as safe as any other vaccine.

thatNURSEKerri · Aug 27, 2021

Hello fellow Nurses! I can appreciate each person's individual passion about their job and their commitment to the field. In regards to the COVID-19 VACCINE mandate, I am NOT in Favor of the mandate. I would like to know the long term effects since it has not yet been established as it was created so quick. However I do realize the emergency study and creation of such "vaccine.". I honestly and personally don't trust anyone in regards to the statistics about the Vaccine. I say that the Information the public has received via Social Media and the overall NEWS on TV (I rarely watch) has given so much inconsistent and not solid information to the public rising question as to the safety and efficacy of the shot. There are valid concerns both ways and I don't think anyone should be judged at this point for hesitating on getting it. I think the Healthcare system has declined in the past few years and this is going to cause a major problem with the already current Nursing shortage. While all resources on here are great pieces to research, it is really going to be up to the individual to research and deceifer all that is available to view when making an informed and educated decision whether the vaccine is for the them. No one should be forced into taking something like this Vaccine. HCW or Not. While I hope that ALL this comes to an end soon, I know it is not. I hope all my fellow Nurses find strength while in the midst of ALL of this.

toomuchbaloney · Aug 27, 2021

39 minutes ago, thatNURSEKerri said:

No one should be forced into taking something like this Vaccine. HCW or Not. While I hope that ALL this comes to an end soon, I know it is not. I hope all my fellow Nurses find strength while in the midst of ALL of this.

No one in the USA is forced to vaccinate. This won't come to an end until people get vaccinated.

QB11, CNA · Aug 27, 2021

1 hour ago, subee said:

And your reasoning is why I believe that most employed nurses won't walk off their jobs. Maybe the people that are adamently anti-vax and very close to retirement who thinks the loss in income is sustainable are the biggest chunk of people leaving. But, that's too bad, because people are going to get vaccinated and the sun will continue to rise without incident since it is as safe as any other vaccine.

Very well said "the sun will continue to rise without incident"! Couldn't agree more ?

londonflo · Aug 27, 2021

9 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

We have the right to risk our lives and health and anything else. This country is for the people.

Okay..Risk your lives. not the patients/people you come in contact

9 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Remember this, the safest place in the world is solitary confinement.

Yes Jeffrey Epstein thought so.

If safety is not everything, what do you value for your parents, spouse, children, grandchildren?

guest1168940 · Aug 27, 2021

To “that nurse Kerri”-appreciate your posting thank you. I stepped out of this thread when I noted a common denominator (not everyone) in those opposed to receiving the vaccine and that appears to be distrust of any studies or reports regardless of where it came from WHO, John’s Hopkins, state reported death rates etc. if it supports receiving the vaccine it’s fake news created by evil doers for an unknown reason. I wish the best for those choosing to be unvaccinated and will care and give them my 110% like I do all my patients and do not want anyone to suffer and that’s why I vaccinated.

thatNURSEKerri · Aug 27, 2021

Thank you too for your positive response. Ultimately, each side of the fence is passionate about why they feel the way they do. And.... Each feels they have the honest data or enough questionable data to make their choice. I have seen and heard both of their data and honestly both have plausible arguments IN MY OPINION.?. I say let's just respect one another, be humble and KIND ! Live our BEST LIVES until it's over!

10GaugeNeedles, BSN · Aug 27, 2021

1 hour ago, londonflo said:

If safety is not everything, what do you value for your parents, spouse, children, grandchildren?

-freedom

londonflo · Aug 27, 2021

8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

freedom

I believe they are one in the same. There is no safety without freedom, nor freedom without safety. If freedom is not safe..it is NOT freedom

MunoRN, RN · Aug 27, 2021

18 hours ago, jive turkey said:

It doesn't sound like they're entitled making this point. What I understand is they're making a point people's jobs are being used as a tool to coerce people in to taking a drug they may not want or need.

Laws currently allow this practice bottom line.

We should stop using the argument that employers can "do whatever they want". There's labor laws among others that prohibit them from doing things they did in the past. They're doing what they're not prohibited from doing and in my opinion feel compelled to do regardless of whether one agrees with it or not.

Hospitals aren't mandating vaccination because they want you to be vaccinated for own benefit, many could probably care less. It's because patients have a right to be protected from harm where there is a readily available way to avoid that harm.

Given the ethical obligations we all agree to in order to be a nurse, I'm not sure why any of us would need to be 'coerced'.