Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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4 minutes ago, anewsns said:

When you signed up to be a nurse, were you worried the vaccine mandates (hepatitis, MMR, etc.) Would become government mandates? 

Those vaccines are not mrna. I understand (and I may be wrong here but this is my big concern) the mrna is introduced into the cell, presents to dna, dna leads to spike protein production that is presented on the cell bilayer. Wbc interact with the spike protein. Antibody is produced to attack said spike protein and consequently, the cell itself. My concern is, if the protein is on the cell, the immune system will attack the cell. If that happens broadly, leads to an autoimmune response. If it crosses the blood brain barrier, autoimmune response to the brain (which would explain the encephalitis I've heard about). How do we know this spike protein production is time limited? How do we know it doesn't get systemically distributed to the uterus, kidney's, lungs, lymph system, liver? The sensory loss people widely report tells me it is crossing the blood brain barrier. And if the spike protein production persists long term, that spells long term injury to me. There's already strong discussion of platelet activation. I've seen pretty good discussion about systemic distribution. There's a lot about the basic function of the mrna tech that concerns me. Traditional vaccines don't concern me since it's self limiting by nature (just exposure. Not cellular production). I'm not a research scientist, I'm just a nurse. I know I don't know a lot of things. But what I think I know so far makes me hesitant. If there was a traditional vaccine I'd take it today. I'm hoping for Novavax'. 

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2 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Those vaccines are not mrna. I understand (and I may be wrong here but this is my big concern) the mrna is introduced into the cell, presents to dna, dna leads to spike protein production that is presented on the cell bilayer. Wbc interact with the spike protein. Antibody is produced to attack said spike protein and consequently, the cell itself. My concern is, if the protein is on the cell, the immune system will attack the cell. If that happens broadly, leads to an autoimmune response. If it crosses the blood brain barrier, autoimmune response to the brain (which would explain the encephalitis I've heard about). How do we know this spike protein production is time limited? How do we know it doesn't get systemically distributed to the uterus, kidney's, lungs, lymph system, liver? The sensory loss people widely report tells me it is crossing the blood brain barrier. And if the spike protein production persists long term, that spells long term injury to me. There's already strong discussion of platelet activation. I've seen pretty good discussion about systemic distribution. There's a lot about the basic function of the mrna tech that concerns me. Traditional vaccines don't concern me since it's self limiting by nature (just exposure. Not cellular production). I'm not a research scientist, I'm just a nurse. I know I don't know a lot of things. But what I think I know so far makes me hesitant. If there was a traditional vaccine I'd take it today. I'm hoping for Novavax'. 

OK, fair enough. I was wondering if you thought health facilities mandating other vaccines would be a slippery slope towards totalitarianism. 

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4 minutes ago, anewsns said:

OK, fair enough. I was wondering if you thought health facilities mandating other vaccines would be a slippery slope towards totalitarianism. 

Nope. I'm all on board with vaccination. I'm even on board with job requirements. I wouldn't argue vaccination requirements are inherently bad (personally I think dialysis goes overboard with hepB but I'm vaccinated as required, no problem). But this situation is fully political. I think the government is using the pandemic as an excuse to push their limits of power. If we had traditional vaccines and they didn't look so desperate to get every person in the world injected with this mrna stuff I'd be less skeptical about the motive behind a mandate. They don't even give an allergy exemption (not that I've heard of anyway). You can be exempt from job requirements and they take it on a case by case basis. But this? This is a whole new animal. 

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40 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

You're not listening. I said we can't let it CONTINUE. Mandating is not optional. Mandating is forced compliance. An example of what could happen to us is Australia right now. They are being confined to within one kilometer of their homes. Massive fines. The totalitarian depends on where you live. New York is barring people from normal life without "papers". California and new York are mandating the vaccines or be fired. They fined people for being out after dark in some areas with curfews. These are signs of what is to come if we don't resist it. If we don't resist it they will continue toward totalitarianism. They will take what we let them take. They always do. You may think the vaccine is perfectly safe and effective. That's fine. And it may be. But we've only been in this thing a year. We don't know what the long term effects are. We know a large majority of people are asymptomatic. We know it's not as deadly as initially projected. We know that the vaccine isn't a magic bullet since this virus mutates. There's allot we know that we DON'T know. You can keep repeating"safe and effective"over and over again. That's your choice to ignore everything else. Some of us are aware of more than your two favorite words. I don't want to sound argumentative here but it's frustrating that you seem to be completely (and voluntarily) unaware of anything beyond the phrase "safe and effective". 

What's frustrating is your paranoid insistence that there is some data somewhere that evidences some unacceptable risk or harm from these vaccines. There's not.  It's frustrating that you are admittedly  unsure of where to find accurate and credible information about covid, and have shared incredibly wrong statements and claims about vaccines, but you are confident that you know something that none of us do.

In my view, you should read up a bit on what a totalitarian regime looks like. 

 

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Nope. I'm all on board with vaccination. I'm even on board with job requirements. I wouldn't argue vaccination requirements are inherently bad (personally I think dialysis goes overboard with hepB but I'm vaccinated as required, no problem). But this situation is fully political. I think the government is using the pandemic as an excuse to push their limits of power. If we had traditional vaccines and they didn't look so desperate to get every person in the world injected with this mrna stuff I'd be less skeptical about the motive behind a mandate. They don't even give an allergy exemption (not that I've heard of anyway). You can be exempt from job requirements and they take it on a case by case basis. But this? This is a whole new animal. 

Why do you think that there isn't an allergy exemption? That's just absurd. 

Did you hear that we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic caused by a novel virus spread via respiratory route? It's a whole new animal.  You've never experience anything like this in your entire life.  Do you think that our collapsing health system is expressing a bit of desperation just now? 

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50 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Driving is neither safe nor unsafe. 

This is where you premise is faulty:

Driving done according to the 'Rules of the Road' and keeping your car in good condition IS SAFE!

50 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

However, one could argue its inherently unsafe (look at all the vehicular deaths each year) and thus nobody should do it. 

Are these deaths caused because something just fell out of the heavens? No, That is why the city/county police have accident reconstruction to determine the unsafe action that happened. 

Besides driver action, accidents can also be caused by a medical problem occurring but the outcome of accident reconstruction is never The driver(s) and car(s) were all following the speed limit, staying in their lane etc. 

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

What's frustrating is your paranoid insistence that there is some data somewhere that evidences some unacceptable risk or harm from these vaccines. There's not.  It's frustrating that you are admittedly  unsure of where to find accurate and credible information about covid, and have shared incredibly wrong statements and claims about vaccines, but you are confident that you know something that none of us do.

In my view, you should read up a bit on what a totalitarian regime looks like. 

 

I don't trust the data you do. I don't need certainty in something else to be skeptical. I'm concerned about what I understand about the mrna technology. Heres a previous post where I paid it my concerns:

 

22 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Those vaccines are not mrna. I understand (and I may be wrong here but this is my big concern) the mrna is introduced into the cell, presents to dna, dna leads to spike protein production that is presented on the cell bilayer. Wbc interact with the spike protein. Antibody is produced to attack said spike protein and consequently, the cell itself. My concern is, if the protein is on the cell, the immune system will attack the cell. If that happens broadly, leads to an autoimmune response. If it crosses the blood brain barrier, autoimmune response to the brain (which would explain the encephalitis I've heard about). How do we know this spike protein production is time limited? How do we know it doesn't get systemically distributed to the uterus, kidney's, lungs, lymph system, liver? The sensory loss people widely report tells me it is crossing the blood brain barrier. And if the spike protein production persists long term, that spells long term injury to me. There's already strong discussion of platelet activation. I've seen pretty good discussion about systemic distribution. There's a lot about the basic function of the mrna tech that concerns me. Traditional vaccines don't concern me since it's self limiting by nature (just exposure. Not cellular production). I'm not a research scientist, I'm just a nurse. I know I don't know a lot of things. But what I think I know so far makes me hesitant. If there was a traditional vaccine I'd take it today. I'm hoping for Novavax'. 

Your sides dismissive attitude invites skepticism. I hope you can at least understand that.

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't trust the data you do. I don't need certainty in something else to be skeptical. I'm concerned about what I understand about the mrna technology. Heres a previous post where I paid it my concerns:

 

Your sides dismissive attitude invites skepticism. I hope you can at least understand that.

LOL

You dismiss accurate and credible facts data and evidence to parrot fears and poorly sourced fears about the vaccines. Your skepticism didn't require any invitations...you sought out sources that feed your fear and hesitancy.  Your concerns are addressed directly in previous comments...why did you dismiss that?

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3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Why do you think that there isn't an allergy exemption? That's just absurd. 

Did you hear that we are in the middle of a deadly pandemic caused by a novel virus spread via respiratory route? It's a whole new animal.  You've never experience anything like this in your entire life.  Do you think that our collapsing health system is expressing a bit of desperation just now? 

And the longer your attitude persists the more skeptical people will become. You are contributing to the hesitancy. Why do you think this vaccine will magically sterilize the world from the virus? If it could, the flu would have disappeared by now. We've been vaccinating for the flu for decades. It's still here. This thing mutates. It's not going anywhere, vaccine or not. We are at>50% vaccinated, probably 75% including natural immunity and still it is spiking everywhere. Your faith in the vaccine clouds your reason. 

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

We are at>50% vaccinated, probably 75% including natural immunity and still it is spiking everywhere.

In my county we aren't even near 50%. and the hospitals are full (actually there is 1 ICU bed available). We take patients from counties with vaccination rates as low as 30%.  Please give us your wisdom!

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9 minutes ago, londonflo said:

This is where you premise is faulty:

Driving done according to the 'Rules of the Road' and keeping your car in good condition IS SAFE!

Are these deaths caused because something just fell out of the heavens? No, That is why the city/county police have accident reconstruction to determine the unsafe action that happened. 

Besides driver action, accidents can also be caused by a medical problem occurring but the outcome of accident reconstruction is never The driver(s) and car(s) were all following the speed limit, staying in their lane etc. 

The original premise was safety vs freedom. I'm not arguing there shouldn't be reasonable restrictions. I'm arguing freedom is worth the risk. I don't agree with seatbelt laws. I agree with seat belt USE. If someone doesn't wear a seat belt, I don't believe the state should punish then for it. I think those people are dumb since it's not inherent restrictive and can save a life. But the legal imposition does nothing but harm people. It just gives police an excuse to fine or pull people over. That's my argument. Freedom balanced with safety. Not freedom banned because of safety. Life is risky and always will be.

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8 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And the longer your attitude persists the more skeptical people will become. You are contributing to the hesitancy. Why do you think this vaccine will magically sterilize the world from the virus? If it could, the flu would have disappeared by now. We've been vaccinating for the flu for decades. It's still here. This thing mutates. It's not going anywhere, vaccine or not. We are at>50% vaccinated, probably 75% including natural immunity and still it is spiking everywhere. Your faith in the vaccine clouds your reason. 

LOL

Blaming me for the choices of others to remain unvaccinated...that's a stretch.  No personal accountability for those people, eh? They can say they're unvaccinated because someone was not overly polite about unfounded vaccine fears and misinformation? That qualifies them for "snowflake" status, right?

Your faith in junk science and unaccountable voices in social media has apparently clouded your judgement. 

The vaccines are safe and effective and all eligible adults should vaccinate according to public health recommendations. 

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