Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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5 minutes ago, londonflo said:

In my county we aren't even near 50%. and the hospitals are full (actually there is 1 ICU bed available). We take patients from counties with vaccination rates as low as 30%.  Please give us your wisdom!

I was talking about the country as a whole. I don't know your county. Obviously. And let's not forget natural immunity provides protection as well. But if people are being reinfected, or breakthrough happens, that means immune protection may not be as good as we think it is. That goes for the vaccine as well. 

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/

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4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

LOL

Blaming me for the choices of others to remain unvaccinated...that's a stretch.  No personal accountability for those people, eh? They can say they're unvaccinated because someone was not overly polite about unfounded vaccine fears and misinformation? That qualifies them for "snowflake" status, right?

Your faith in junk science and unaccountable voices in social media has apparently clouded your judgement. 

The vaccines are safe and effective and all eligible adults should vaccinate according to public health recommendations. 

Nice straw man but it won't work on me. OK fine. Sigh. Your totally right. The vaccines are safe and effective. Everyone should get both shots and a booster every 6 months. Nobody has had any negative outcomes and we know everything we ever will about everything. And everyone that doesn't want one is probably a racist. Wear a mask and socially distance until covid disappears. Masks stop the virus. Nobody can get reinfected with the safe and effective vaccine. All demographics are equally impacted by the virus and the risk of death is the same for all people in all circumstances. The CDC said it, I believe it, that settles it. All hail Dr fauci. 

-are you happy now?

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1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I think there's allot of things you don't understand.

Is that an example of you not wanting to be argumentative?

3 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Nice straw man but it won't work on me. OK fine. Sigh. Your totally right. The vaccines are safe and effective. Everyone should get both shots and a booster every 6 months. Nobody has had any negative outcomes and we know everything we ever will about everything. And everyone that doesn't want one is probably a racist. Wear a mask and socially distance until covid disappears. Masks stop the virus. Nobody can get reinfected with the safe and effective vaccine. All demographics are equally impacted by the virus and the risk of death is the same for all people in all circumstances. The CDC said it, I believe it, that settles it. All hail Dr fauci. 

-are you happy now?

So hyperbole and nonsense are your objectives now that you can't actually argue against the safety, effectiveness, or wisdom of vaccinating during a pandemic?

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1 minute ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Is that an example of you not wanting to be argumentative?

So hyperbole and nonsense are your objectives now that you can't actually argue against the safety, effectiveness, or wisdom of vaccinating during a pandemic?

No it was an example of me being sarcastic. 

I'm not arguing against the safety and effectiveness see? I said the phrase! I'm a good person now! It's totally safe for everyone. That means we know no injury will happen or ever had happened (that's what safe means). And offers full protection for everyone. That means you'll never get infected if you've gotten the shot. That what full protection means. That's what effective means (this IS the message of the "safe and effective" phrase, no nuance included). 

That's not my opinion but that's what you want me to say. You don't care about anything but your catch phrase, so I don't care to argue anymore. I've made my case and you dismiss it. Why argue with a brick wall? 

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37 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And the longer your attitude persists the more skeptical people will become. You are contributing to the hesitancy. 

Something tells me people won't change  their minds regardless of how we present the information. 

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

No it was an example of me being sarcastic. 

I'm not arguing against the safety and effectiveness see? I said the phrase! I'm a good person now! It's totally safe for everyone. That means we know no injury will happen or ever had happened (that's what safe means). And offers full protection for everyone. That means you'll never get infected if you've gotten the shot. That what full protection means. That's what effective means (this IS the message of the "safe and effective" phrase, no nuance included). 

That's not my opinion but that's what you want me to say. You don't care about anything but your catch phrase, so I don't care to argue anymore. I've made my case and you dismiss it. Why argue with a brick wall? 

39 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I don't trust the data you do. I don't need certainty in something else to be skeptical. I'm concerned about what I understand about the mrna technology. Heres a previous post where I paid it my concerns:

 

Your sides dismissive attitude invites skepticism. I hope you can at least understand that.

Can you show me anything that says something 95% effective should be ignored  because it's not 100% effective?  Can you tell me a treatment that us 100% effective AND doesn't have side effects.  I've been waiting for an answer.  The more you post, the more I think that you are flying up to the Twilight Zone.  You are free to refuse a vaccine.  Free to refuse.  What is the problem.   If you had stage 2 breast cancer and were told radiation or chemo would give you a 95% chance of 5 year survival, would you turn it down because it's not 100% effective?  

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9 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

No it was an example of me being sarcastic. 

I'm not arguing against the safety and effectiveness see? I said the phrase! I'm a good person now! It's totally safe for everyone. That means we know no injury will happen or ever had happened (that's what safe means). And offers full protection for everyone. That means you'll never get infected if you've gotten the shot. That what full protection means. That's what effective means (this IS the message of the "safe and effective" phrase, no nuance included). 

That's not my opinion but that's what you want me to say. You don't care about anything but your catch phrase, so I don't care to argue anymore. I've made my case and you dismiss it. Why argue with a brick wall? 

So now you are supporting your stance with sarcasm rather than facts or evidence...

When you start calling members who are founded in the science and evidence "a brick wall" it's clear that you are done with discussion and are, indeed, argumentative. 

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For those interested in such things. . . Comirnaty.com came Online today (I was monitoring).

Also, the FDA approval Doc/pdf defines all the testing required going fwd.

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

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15 hours ago, heron said:

just that they need to face the consequences of their behavior, 

And please don’t patronize me - Covid isn’t my first rodeo. In 49 years at the bedside, I’ve had to utilize the whole range of communication styles under much more difficult conditions than this. As I said before, in my experience, refractory denial of the kind we’re seeing in the voluntarily unvaccinated seldom responds to gentle circumlocutions.

We’ve had almost a year and a half of polite attempts to explain the science and address the fears of the hesitant. (

I get the fears of totalitarian government take-overs. I also get the sneaky little attempt to invalidate my viewpoint by implying that I might be a communist. (China? Really?) 

1. The original post made reference to recognizing the employer can terminate for the vaccination.  That's facing the consequences already.  

2. You're not being patronized.  The attitude of your post suggested a biased viewpoint of the subject, and a hard core response needed by the government. I would look past COVID and be concerned with setting a precedent for things to come. 

3. I don't know you to call you communist and so what of you were? I don't engage in character assassination here for future reference.  I spoke to the tone of your response. 

What I'm advocating for is common ground and sensitivity to all perspectives even if there is disagreement.  I respect where you're coming from, agree on some ways, others not.  The problem I see is out of panic, fear, frustration, and anger communication is breaking down.  That's why the government has to force the issue.  The messages from leadership went from complacent to b's to the walls. Mask on, mask off, close this, not that so on n so on.  No wonder people are hesitant. 

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20 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

What I'm advocating for is common ground and sensitivity to all perspectives even if there is disagreement. 

Common ground? Perspectives which are informed by bad science or unfounded concerns result in more vaccine hesitancy or refusal.  They shouldn't be entertained on nursing forums where they might influence others to remain unvaccinated.  Gambling with a pandemic level VPD is currently distressing and over burdening our health systems and professional staff.

The spread of the illness through our unvaccinated population is having a rather obvious negative affect on all aspects of our economy and society.  Surely there's no disagreement about that. 

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4 hours ago, MunoRN said:

Hospitals aren't mandating vaccination because they want you to be vaccinated for own benefit, many could probably care less.  It's because patients have a right to be protected from harm where there is a readily available way to avoid that harm.

Given the ethical obligations we all agree to in order to be a nurse, I'm not sure why any of us would need to be 'coerced'.

Fair enough, let's consider this:

Vax or unvax the virus can be spread. Vax or unvax everybody has to wear a mask. Looks like we are going back to mandatory n95/100.  The counter to that is one of those is "more likely" to spread.  Wouldn't surprise me if we find out later that's not true or not as true as believed.  Remember we were told the vaccinated could take their mask off? And it may very well be true unvax spread it more.  I won't take that away.  No nurse has gone to work without masks in a long time. 

What I argued elsewhere is mandate rapid testing before each shift instead of the drug.  That's a great way to protect the patient ; knowing everyone on the floor tested negative that day. The NBA did something like this.  It may be challenging and inconvenient, but why else not?

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

What I argued elsewhere is mandate rapid testing before each shift instead of the drug.  That's a great way to protect the patient ; knowing everyone on the floor tested negative that day. The NBA did something like this.  It may be challenging and inconvenient, but why else not?

You need to convince the hospitals that they should implement that policy.  How much do you think that will cost them compared to vaccination? 

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