Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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25 minutes ago, londonflo said:

I believe they are one in the same. There is no safety without freedom, nor freedom without safety. If freedom is not safe..it is NOT freedom

Is that what you would tell a soldier who lost a limb in war? Freedom is not safety. Freedom is worth fighting and dying for. Safety is a method to do anything (there's a right and wrong way to do everything, usually the right way is the safe way). Both freedom and safety are important. The day safety is MORE important than freedom is the first day on the road towards totalitarianism. We cannot let that happen. 

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31 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Is that what you would tell a soldier who lost a limb in war? Freedom is not safety. Freedom is worth fighting and dying for. Safety is a method to do anything (there's a right and wrong way to do everything, usually the right way is the safe way). Both freedom and safety are important. The day safety is MORE important than freedom is the first day on the road towards totalitarianism. We cannot let that happen. 

What is it you want to do that you can't?  Mandating your Vax keeps us free from harm.  It's not depriving you of a living.  You just have to work someplace else so that you can be free not to take the vaccine.  Is there something else?

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"because the patients have a right to be protected from harm where there is a readily available way to avoid harm." 

-let me see if I understand what you are saying.  Are you talking about the "COMIRNATY " injection?  So this Pfizer made injection is not causing death, terrible side effects, spreading the COVID VIRUS and potentially the DELTA VARIANT as well?  Is there even a Test to determine what strain a person has?   I also wanted to know if anyone can tell me what is the name of the test we are to mark on a lab requisition when submitting to VERIFY the person is actually Positive FOR COVID-19?  Lord knows the PCR tests are questionable.  

 

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46 minutes ago, subee said:

What is it you want to do that you can't?  Mandating your Vax keeps us free from harm.  It's not depriving you of a living.  You just have to work someplace else so that you can be free not to take the vaccine.  Is there something else?

Sigh... This is a number of steps in. Started with why we must avoid mandates. It's not just about an inconvenience. People can tolerate inconvenience. It's about creeping totalitarianism (such as what is happening in China and Australia, such as what happened in many countries throughout history). You give em an inch, they take a mile and ask for another inch. It doesn't look bad until it's too late. Boiling a frog and all that. Today its mask mandates, then it's lock downs, then it's vaccine passports, then it's vaccine mandates. This is creeping along nicely and we have to stop it before it gets bad. That was my argument that led to the following comment: "if safety is not everything, what do you value for your parents, spouse, children, grandchildren?" To which I replied with what you are responding to. So my point is, it's not the simple issue of "this isn't that bad. Just comply for safety. What's the big deal?" It wasn't a big deal with masks. But this is a much bigger issue than a minor inconvenience. you can see the progression happening in real time. Totalitarian measures are in place in Australia right now, today. we can't allow that to happen here. It doesn't matter if you personally are fine with complying. The threat of totalitarianism needs to be stopped BEFORE it gets too big to stop. If we comply with mandates, then passports, where does it end? I don't want to know. I want it stopped now, before we have what Australia is dealing with. Don't think it can happen? Keep complying and you WILL see it happen. 

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1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Is that what you would tell a soldier who lost a limb in war? Freedom is not safety. Freedom is worth fighting and dying for. Safety is a method to do anything (there's a right and wrong way to do everything, usually the right way is the safe way). Both freedom and safety are important. The day safety is MORE important than freedom is the first day on the road towards totalitarianism. We cannot let that happen. 

And BTW:  There is no scenario where anyone is going to lay down their life so that you don't have to take the vaccine:)  So not putting your kid in a corificeat (violation of your freedom , can't afford one, no one but me decides what my kid does, whatever) takes precedence over the safety of a vulnerable person?  I don't understand what the soldier's leg is doing in this argument.  Usually soldiers lose limbs over things that are totally irrelevant 20 years in the future.

 

8 minutes ago, thatNURSEKerri said:

"because the patients have a right to be protected from harm where there is a readily available way to avoid harm." 

-let me see if I understand what you are saying.  Are you talking about the "COMIRNATY " injection?  So this Pfizer made injection is not causing death, terrible side effects, spreading the COVID VIRUS and potentially the DELTA VARIANT as well?  Is there even a Test to determine what strain a person has?   I also wanted to know if anyone can tell me what is the name of the test we are to mark on a lab requisition when submitting to VERIFY the person is actually Positive FOR COVID-19?  Lord knows the PCR tests are questionable.  

 

What?  Of course they test what strain the virus is.  How could we give any virus a name, I.e. Delta, Lambda, etc.  You need to check out PCR testing since you don't appear to understand what it is and I don't think the Lord knows any such thing.  The Lord would appreciate you now spreading dangerous information around.  

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29 minutes ago, thatNURSEKerri said:

Is there even a Test to determine what strain a person has? 

The virus isolated from the swab is processed for genetic sequencing.  The sequencing identifies the strain of covid.  That process requires almost 48 hours for turn around and notification of public health officials.  

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2 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

Safety is a method to do anything (there's a right and wrong way to do everything, 

Why would a wrong way be the safe way...you have lost me here

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29 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

The threat of totalitarianism needs to be stopped BEFORE it gets too big to stop. If we comply with mandates, then passports, where does it end? I don't want to know. I want it stopped now, before we have what Australia is dealing with. Don't think it can happen? Keep complying and you WILL see it happen.

How exactly does ignoring the science and data that demonstrates that the vaccines are safe and effective and not vaccinating against a virus that is collapsing the health systems of multiple regions, thwart totalitarian overreach? Who is the totalitarian that is requiring masking or vaccination from you?

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10 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

How exactly does ignoring the science and data that demonstrates that the vaccines are safe and effective and not vaccinating against a virus that is collapsing the health systems of multiple regions, thwart totalitarian overreach? Who is the totalitarian that is requiring masking or vaccination from you?

You're not listening. I said we can't let it CONTINUE. Mandating is not optional. Mandating is forced compliance. An example of what could happen to us is Australia right now. They are being confined to within one kilometer of their homes. Massive fines. The totalitarian depends on where you live. New York is barring people from normal life without "papers". California and new York are mandating the vaccines or be fired. They fined people for being out after dark in some areas with curfews. These are signs of what is to come if we don't resist it. If we don't resist it they will continue toward totalitarianism. They will take what we let them take. They always do. You may think the vaccine is perfectly safe and effective. That's fine. And it may be. But we've only been in this thing a year. We don't know what the long term effects are. We know a large majority of people are asymptomatic. We know it's not as deadly as initially projected. We know that the vaccine isn't a magic bullet since this virus mutates. There's allot we know that we DON'T know. You can keep repeating"safe and effective"over and over again. That's your choice to ignore everything else. Some of us are aware of more than your two favorite words. I don't want to sound argumentative here but it's frustrating that you seem to be completely (and voluntarily) unaware of anything beyond the phrase "safe and effective". 

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9 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

You're not listening. I said we can't let it CONTINUE. Mandating is not optional. Mandating is forced compliance. An example of what could happen to us is Australia right now. They are being confined to within one kilometer of their homes. Massive fines. The totalitarian depends on where you live. New York is barring people from normal life without "papers". California and new York are mandating the vaccines or be fired. They fined people for being out after dark in some areas with curfews. These are signs of what is to come if we don't resist it. If we don't resist it they will continue toward totalitarianism. They will take what we let them take. They always do. You may think the vaccine is perfectly safe and effective. That's fine. And it may be. But we've only been in this thing a year. We don't know what the long term effects are. We know a large majority of people are asymptomatic. We know it's not as deadly as initially projected. We know that the vaccine isn't a magic bullet since this virus mutates. There's allot we know that we DON'T know. You can keep repeating"safe and effective"over and over again. That's your choice to ignore everything else. Some of us are aware of more than your two favorite words. I don't want to sound argumentative here but it's frustrating that you seem to be completely (and voluntarily) unaware of anything beyond the phrase "safe and effective". 

When you signed up to be a nurse, were you worried the vaccine mandates (hepatitis, MMR, etc.) Would become government mandates? 

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28 minutes ago, londonflo said:

Why would a wrong way be the safe way...you have lost me here

The right way is usually the safe way. (sometimes there's greater risk than reward with an act but usually the wrong way to do something is wrong because it's an unsafe way). safety isn't some inherent property of life. For example. Driving is neither safe nor unsafe. But doing it wrong can be very unsafe. However, one could argue its inherently unsafe (look at all the vehicular deaths each year) and thus nobody should do it. Fact is we accept the risk of driving to maintain freedom of movement. We have laws to mitigate unsafe driving. But we don't stop driving because it can be done in an unsafe manner. We accept risk in life while remaining free of unreasonable restrictions. Freedom is important and it must be balanced with safety, not sacrificed on the name of safety.

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1 hour ago, subee said:

  I don't understand what the soldier's leg is doing in this argument

I think there's allot of things you don't understand.

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