Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

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22 minutes ago, InHisImage said:

While vaccines are not "forced" in the sense of using physical restraint, they are nonetheless "forced" by definition because people are being intimidated by the use of threats to vaccinate or lose one's job.

Do we consider all conditions of employment as threats or just the conditions related to vaccine preventable diseases?

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22 minutes ago, heron said:

Entitled much? No one owes you a job and if you can’t meet the requirements of the job, you can’t work there. And don’t plead the ADA - if an employer can’t make a reasonable accommodation, the ADA doesn’t apply. If the feds go through with the plan to stop Medicare/Medicaid payments to facilities with unvaccinated workers, “reasonable accommodation” will become a moot point.

I think it would be hilarious if in a few months, all the new York hospitals are maxed out due to staffing shortages but texas and Florida are fully staffed and half full due to greater staffing capacity. 

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18 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I think it would be hilarious if in a few months, all the new York hospitals are maxed out due to staffing shortages but texas and Florida are fully staffed and half full due to greater staffing capacity. 

Hilarious. Yeah. 

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1 minute ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I think it would be hilarious if in a few months, all the new York hospitals are maxed out due to staffing shortages but texas and Florida are fully staffed and half full due to greater staffing capacity. 

Not likely … especially if the feds follow through on withholding Medicare/Medicaid funds. Nurses are leaving in droves, not because of mandatory vaccinations but because of the avalanche of unvacccinated Covid patients. I don’t see hiring unvaccinated healthcare workers changing that, given that they are more likely to get sick themselves and infect their patients and coworkers as well. Hospitals have never been particularly concerned about patient or worker safety, but they do pay attention to costs … overtime, sick time and health insurance costs will go up. If insurers other than CMS continue to decline to pay for costs of Covid-related hospitalization of unvaccinated people, they’ll have to eat the costs of all those expensive ICU beds. For that matter, it’ll be interesting to see what happens to hospitals’ own insurance costs - both health and liability.

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1 hour ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

I think it would be hilarious if in a few months, all the new York hospitals are maxed out due to staffing shortages but texas and Florida are fully staffed and half full due to greater staffing capacity. 

I think you have a really horrible sense of humor! So you are saying, you want people to DIE?!

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2 hours ago, heron said:

Entitled much? No one owes you a job and if you can’t meet the requirements of the job, you can’t work there. And don’t plead the ADA - if an employer can’t make a reasonable accommodation, the ADA doesn’t apply. If the feds go through with the plan to stop Medicare/Medicaid payments to facilities with unvaccinated workers, “reasonable accommodation” will become a moot point.

It doesn't sound like they're entitled making this point.  What I understand is they're making a point people's jobs are being used as a tool to coerce people in to taking a drug they may not want or need.  

Laws currently allow this practice bottom line. 

We should stop using the argument that employers can "do whatever they want". There's labor laws among others that prohibit them from doing things they did in the past.  They're doing what they're not prohibited from doing and in my opinion feel compelled to do regardless of whether one agrees with it or not. 

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1 hour ago, jive turkey said:

 They're doing what they're not prohibited from doing and in my opinion feel compelled to do regardless of whether one agrees with it or not. 

Does that mean that you believe that the only reason that a place of business or employer would mandate a vaccine during a pandemic is because the government compelled them to? Could you imagine other reasons that a business or employer might require a vaccine during a pandemic?

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13 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Does that mean that you believe that the only reason that a place of business or employer would mandate a vaccine during a pandemic is because the government compelled them to? Could you imagine other reasons that a business or employer might require a vaccine during a pandemic?

You are way to tolerant - While I have enjoyed the match (like watching McEnroe VS Lendle in the 1984 French Open) I don't see this ending any time soon. While JT claims to merely offer a different perspective there is a failure to acknowledge that while everyone is entitled to an opinion sometimes said opinion is wrong. We see this sort of circular argument in classic debate when the debater in question is unable to prove their point or sway the audiance. It's really quite sad to watch. 

I just read that according to Forbs.com and Gallup.com a greater than average number of rank and file American workers (Not HCWs) are strongly in favor of mask and vaccine mandates. Also Businessinsider.com states that most American workers want their employers to mandate masks and Covid vaccines.

It's super hard to admit when you hold an unpopular opinion based on fraudulent data and have the watch the world carry-on while one remains stuck in ignorance and superstition. 

The jury is in Covid Vaccines are safe and effective so it's time for folks to lead, follow or get out of the way.

Hppy

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49 minutes ago, hppygr8ful said:

1. While JT claims to merely offer a different perspective there is a failure to acknowledge that while everyone is entitled to an opinion sometimes said opinion is wrong.

2.It's super hard to admit when you hold an unpopular opinion based on fraudulent data and have the watch the world carry-on while one remains stuck in ignorance and superstition. 

3.The jury is in Covid Vaccines are safe and effective so it's time for folks to lead, follow or get out of the way.

Hppy

1. Here's a quote from English 101

"FACT: Statement of actuality or occurrence. A fact is based on direct evidence, actual experience, or observation.
• OPINION: Statement of belief or feeling. It shows one’s feelings about a subject. Solid opinions, while based on facts, are someone’s views on a subject and not facts themselves."

It doesn't make sense to say the opinion is wrong. If you said you think strawberry is the best flavor ice cream it's not sensible to come and say your opinion is wrong. 

2. What data did I provide that was fraudulent or superstitious? Many of you make that accusation but when challenged to quote me on misinformation or fraudulent data, you can't do it.  Watch!

3. I never argued about safety.  So why bring that up when referencing me?

I'll ask you a direct question. What about my opinion bothers you so bad? Why do you care? Don't say you don't because if you didn't you wouldn't speak of me.  

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2 hours ago, jive turkey said:

It doesn't sound like they're entitled making this point.  What I understand is they're making a point people's jobs are being used as a tool to coerce people in to taking a drug they may not want or need.  

Laws currently allow this practice bottom line. 

We should stop using the argument that employers can "do whatever they want". There's labor laws among others that prohibit them from doing things they did in the past.  They're doing what they're not prohibited from doing and in my opinion feel compelled to do regardless of whether one agrees with it or not. 

Sounds pretty entitled to me … entitled to their jobs regardless of the risk to patients, co-workers and employers. I’ve already told my story in several different threads and won’t repeat it here. Suffice it to say that I have no sympathy with unvaccinated workers barring serious medical contraindications. I really don’t care if their feelings are hurt by that. Choices have consequences. The voluntarily unvaccinated need to deal with that and not demand that the rest of us enable them.

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2 minutes ago, jive turkey said:

1. Here's a quote from English 101

"FACT: Statement of actuality or occurrence. A fact is based on direct evidence, actual experience, or observation.
• OPINION: Statement of belief or feeling. It shows one’s feelings about a subject. Solid opinions, while based on facts, are someone’s views on a subject and not facts themselves."

It doesn't make sense to say the opinion is wrong. If you said you think strawberry is the best flavor ice cream it's not sensible to come and say your opinion is wrong. 

2. What data did I provide that was fraudulent or superstitious? Many of you make that accusation but when challenged to quote me on misinformation or fraudulent data, you can't do it.  Watch!

3. I never argued about safety.  So why bring that up when referencing me?

I'll ask you a direct question. What about my opinion bothers you so bad? Why do you care? Don't say you don't because if you didn't you wouldn't speak of me.  

Actually nothing you say bothers me at all. As I have said I find the whole thing quite entertaining. I have actually wanted to have a more open discourse with you but I don't think that's what you want and quite frankley I am begining to suspect as others do in this forum that you are a not a nurse or health care professional of any kind. Your premises seem to lack even a rudimentary understanding of the desiease process or virus transmission in general. So I am going to throw out a challenge to the rest of the group to stop feeding the troll - maybe if you get hungry enough you'll find better sustenance elseware. So for now I bid you adieu. Take care good luck!

Hppy

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11 minutes ago, hppygr8ful said:

the rest of the group to stop feeding the troll -

The troll accusation and questioning ones credentials always comes around when someone can't substantiate the personal attacks they made.

So long as the state board knows I'm a nurse, the people I care for, and the person signing the checks, what you think is irrelevant in that regard.  I'm always open to a civil debate but if you can't do it,  farewell to you too?

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