Leaving Your Job Due to Mandate

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For those of you who have recognized your employer can terminate you for not taking the COVID vaccine and have decided on or are considering employment elsewhere please share your experiences here. How do you feel about having to make that choice? 

The purpose of this thread is not to condemn those making this decision or debate whether they should vaccinate or not. 

Specializes in CRNA, Finally retired.
19 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

It wasn't safe for these people: "During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."

and that's just the ones reported to VAERS. it's been said only 1% get reported. If that's true, up to 696800 people could have died due to the vaccine. I'm not saying it is. But if you happen to be a lucky one, welp, you're dead from this totally safe vaccine. RISKS AND FREAKING BENEFITS!! Geeze, what is so hard about this?

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

What's so hard?  Anyone can report anything to VAERS.  It is not "peer reviewed".  One of the large groups was nursing home patients who had many other reasons to die  following a Covid vaccine..heart attack, other infections, frailty.  They were going to die whether they had the vaccine or not.  Easy is pointing to something as useless as VAERS as evidence of anything.  Hard is reading statistics in the context of multiple variables.

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4 minutes ago, lMCRN said:

Your link to the CDC reports any death occurring after receiving the vaccine must be reported even if unknown if it was the cause, you can find support to your fear of receiving the vaccine as much as you want but cannot defend your duplicitous cause of the delta surge with over 90% of deaths and hospitalizations are unvaccinated and is widely reported by many different dept/agencies/hospitals/ states and counties and is fact. 

Of COURSE they can't say for sure the vaccine directly caused the deaths! That's practically impossible to prove beyond doubt. The point for the 100th time is personal autonomy. I'm not saying anything is right for anyone. I'm saying it is a question for the individual and your side is the reason people are hesitant on a large scale!

Your side is advocating lockdowns, mandates, school closures, all these draconian measures, mask on, mask off, 2 masks!, Masks on in the woods a mile from anyone, Curfews (cause covid is gonna get you when most people go home to sleep apparently) and on and on. Trying to force people to agree with you makes people want to ignore you! If this had always been a clear cut, "here are the facts. Here are the risks. We suggest you take it because the evidence is good"and treated people like adults with respect, maybe we'd be at 75% by now. But no. You still don't get it. People have the right to refuse. Period. And if those telling them they need something aren't trusted, people will choose NO!

But your side denies natural immunity, the existence of effective therapeutics, efficacy of early treatment protocols, and people KNOW they are being lied to! They aren't stupid! If your side keeps lying, hesitant people will just fight back. Admit the legitimacy of your opposition and you may just see cooperation. Why is this so hard for y'all?

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2 minutes ago, subee said:

What's so hard?  Anyone can report anything to VAERS.  It is not "peer reviewed".  One of the large groups was nursing home patients who had many other reasons to die  following a Covid vaccine..heart attack, other infections, frailty.  They were going to die whether they had the vaccine or not.  Easy is pointing to something as useless as VAERS as evidence of anything.  Hard is reading statistics in the context of multiple variables.

And tell me, what monitoring system does the CDC rely on to establish a link between the vaccine and negative outcomes? 

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4 minutes ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And tell me, what monitoring system does the CDC rely on to establish a link between the vaccine and negative outcomes? 

Medical professionals rather than any Tom, Dick or Harry off the street or my Aunt Fannie. 

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1 minute ago, subee said:

Medical professionals rather than any Tom, Dick or Harry off the street or my Aunt Fannie. 

And where do the medical professionals submit their report to?

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15 minutes ago, SmilingBluEyes said:

I misunderstood nothing. But thank you anyhow.

As the OP, I vouch for @BeatsPerMinute

You misinterpreted.  Don't take it as an insult.  It's not uncommon the desire to be argumentative overrides the desire to understand.  Hopefully that didn't apply to you.

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OK. Well I will bow out on this one. I did not think I did, but again, we can get emotional and yes, misinterpret things. I will defer.

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The employee health department in my place of employment is run with a bunch of retards. I got my Covid vaccine August 9th Moderna. Per employee health, if I don't get the 2nd one between 21 to 28 days then I need to repeat the series again.. If it's day 29, then that won't count. I argued with the lady. The local health department said this doesn't even follow CDC guidelines.

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Specializes in Critical Care.

I work in administration currently. All that I can say is that we’re losing seasoned nurses in droves. I am not arguing one side or the other, I just feel that the timing of this mandate is going to push are already short staffed facilities to a much worse position. For the record, I have my vaccine, but I also think it should be the employees choice. I think in our small system we’re look at about 60-70 nurses thus far calling in quits due to vaccine mandates. These are beyond numbers that can simply be filled by travelers. It’s going to limit access for patients and cause huge safety issues imho. 

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10 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

It wasn't safe for these people: "During this time, VAERS received 6,968 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."

and that's just the ones reported to VAERS. it's been said only 1% get reported. If that's true, up to 696800 people could have died due to the vaccine. I'm not saying it is. But if you happen to be a lucky one, welp, you're dead from this totally safe vaccine. RISKS AND FREAKING BENEFITS!! Geeze, what is so hard about this?

https://www.CDC.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

From that site, VAERS admits the following limitations of its usefulness:

"It is generally not possible to find out from VAERS data if a vaccine caused the adverse event.

Reports submitted to VAERS often lack details and sometimes contains errors

Serious adverse events are more likely to be reported than non-serious events

Numbers of reports may increase in response to media attention and increased public awareness

VAERS data cannot be used to determine rates of adverse events."

VAERS - FAQs (hhs.gov)

Anyone can report anything to VAERS whether it's true or whether it's not. People who mistakenly believe a vaccine caused a death or adverse affect can report it. People who have an antivax agenda can outright lie in a report to VAERS. VAERS reports are proof of absolutely nothing. The value in VAERS is indicating a worrisome trend that must be further investigated. 

Anyone who uses VAERS data as you have is either uneducated as to its purpose and limitations or is deliberately gaslighting and will be called out because this kind of misinformation is dangerous to the public. Which one of those are you?

 

There is no such thing as a treatment or drug that is 100% free of consequence. When Baloney says that the vaccine is safe and effective, that does not imply that there are no adverse effects. It is in a public health context that literally over a billion vaccines have been given, and the serious adverse effects are miniscule relative to that number. You go with the odds, which are soundly in favor of vaccination. Individual circumstances may dictate not getting the vaccine, but the vaccine has been shown to be safe and effective for the vast majority of human beings in this absolutely enormous sample.

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10 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And where do the medical professionals submit their report to?

Depends. If it's 2009, then you use the PRISM system specifically designed to intake and asses & report on the H1N1 vaccines problems. Created by and monitored by people outside of the profit chain.

2020-2021, "nah, we don't need no stinkin PRISM program. We have VAERS!"

 

Gaps-> https://www.healthleadersmedia.com/covid-19/detecting-rare-blood-clots-was-win-us-vaccine-safety-system-still-has-gaps

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11 hours ago, 10GaugeNeedles said:

And where do the medical professionals submit their report to?

CDC

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