I just applied to the nursing program at the College of Brockport (in Rochester, NY) as a transfer. I have already completed my BS in biology from Cornell University with a 3.6.
I was rejected today, called, and they eventually sent me to the Dept. Chair for Nursing. She explained that they had SO many applicants for direct transfer, the only "fair" way to do it was to base the acceptance on GPA only. Nevermind the essay we had to write, or what school we went to, or our experience - GPA only.
I asked her if school was even considered, she said no. So I said "An applicant with a 3.7 from a community college would get priority over me with a 3.6 from an Ivy League school?" She said yes.
Am I the only one who thinks this is freaking ridiculous?? I could get a 4.0 from a community college with little to no effort if I wanted to. I'm just so angry at them right now.
Cornell belongs to the Ivy League just as Oregon is a Pac-10 school or Kentucky is an SEC school.
I think this thread highlights an issue we've probably all struggled with to some extent - how to put our best foot forward for our respective schools' admissions committees. We are all jumping through whatever hoops they tell us to whether it's a certain GPA, test score, experiences, essays, interviews.
While I don't think that basing admission on GPA alone is inherently unfair, I do think it's unfair if the admissions committee decided to change the criteria they consider after the application deadline. My school does GPA only but they have had pilot essay questions the past few semesters. I think that they are using our applications and the information that they gain to try to quantify things like experience or a previous degree.
Its hard to feel like just a number when we all know that we have so much more to offer than can be reflected in a test score or GPA.
BeachBedhead....My A&P professor got her doctorate from Duke University. My algebra professor last semester got his from Columbia. I go to a CC. I am learning from these wonderful minds, and I feel very fortunate.
It doesn't matter what school someone attended.... the real question is....
My professors went to the UC's lol. And unless your from CA you probably never heard of them. They are smart though. A classmate of mine said that our own school counseler told her to take pre reqs somewhere else cause our sciences were too hard lol
Well since I can't respond to your incredibly rude and insulting private message Siberian, ill just write here. I'm sorry you didn't get in, I really am. But with all due respect you need a MAJOR ego check, because you honestly don't sound like a very nice individual. I'd focus on reevaluating my personal character, if I were you, before I'd worry about trying to become a nurse. I hope things get better for you.
I just applied to the nursing program at the College of Brockport (in Rochester, NY) as a transfer. I have already completed my BS in biology from Cornell University with a 3.6.
I was rejected today, called, and they eventually sent me to the Dept. Chair for Nursing. She explained that they had SO many applicants for direct transfer, the only "fair" way to do it was to base the acceptance on GPA only. Nevermind the essay we had to write, or what school we went to, or our experience - GPA only.
I asked her if school was even considered, she said no. So I said "An applicant with a 3.7 from a community college would get priority over me with a 3.6 from an Ivy League school?" She said yes.
Am I the only one who thinks this is freaking rediculous?? I could get a 4.0 from a community college with little to no effort if I wanted to. I'm just so angry at them right now.
That sucks that you didn't get into the nursing program. You need to know that this is just the tip of the iceberg compared to how things go once you are actually in the nursing program. Trust me, I know; I'm graduating in six weeks. In all honesty, you education at Cornell is not going to make a single difference in the nursing program and I realize that that sucks with all the work and effort you put into that institution. You are just going to need to pick up that GPA to at least a 3.8 anyway you can to really have a good shot to get in.
One question... why are you going to a community college? I assume you are going for an ADN but why not just apply for an accelerated track BSN program which is open for second degree students. It seems like an ADN for you is a step backwards. Just curious.
Well since I can't respond to your incredibly rude and insulting private message Siberian, ill just write here. I'm sorry you didn't get in, I really am. But with all due respect you need a MAJOR ego check, because you honestly don't sound like a very nice individual. I'd focus on reevaluating my personal character, if I were you, before I'd worry about trying to become a nurse. I hope things get better for you.
My "rude" private message to Missa was asking why she doesn't consider Cornell and Ivy League, considering the Ivy League is a sports team made up of 8 schools and Cornell is one of them. There is no "considering" it an Ivy League unless your definition of an Ivy League is simply a prestigious, top school - in which case you would be bolstering my argument anyway.
In addition, this thread, as has been said many times, is supposed to become civil again. It's very rude of you to get on here and tell me I'm not nice, need an ego check, etc. In fact, all I've said is that Ivy League schools offer better educations, overall, than community colleges. You and the other pro-CC people have stated that community colleges are equal to Ivy League schools. Perhaps it is someone with that mentality that needs an ego check.
Don't you ever attack my personal character, it's none of your business. You don't know me - you're responding to a debate on a message board and you happen to be on the other side. I could just as easily say I believe you are a hateful woman with a horrible personality - because that's what I see here. Do not come here and try to pass judgment on someone.
As patients, most of us will never know where nurses that take care of us went to school unless we ask, and how many patients REALLY do that? A mere fraction if that. When it comes down to it, I don't care if a nurse went to college @ Cornell, Columbia, Concordia, Compton or even Cambodia. As long as you're licensed and give me top-notch, compassionate and professional care that makes me feel better than before we met, you're the best nurse in my book! Honestly, I am tired of the elitist attitudes and sense of entitlement from Ivy League grads that think they are better than any person who is not one.
One question... why are you going to a community college? I assume you are going for an ADN but why not just apply for an accelerated track BSN program which is open for second degree students. It seems like an ADN for you is a step backwards. Just curious.
Good luck.
Brockport isn't a community college. It's a BSN program, and thanks to my previous degree I would only have to complete the last two years of the program. Brockport is also very cheap, in fact free to in-state students with NY state grants (TAP I think it's called?).
As patients, most of us will never know where nurses that take care of us went to school unless we ask, and how many patients REALLY do that? A mere fraction if that. When it comes down to it, I don't care if a nurse went to college @ Cornell, Columbia, Concordia, Compton or even Cambodia. As long as you're licensed and give me top-notch, compassionate and professional care that makes me feel better than before we met, you're the best nurse in my book! Honestly, I am tired of the elitist attitudes and sense of entitlement from Ivy League grads that think they are better than any person who is not one.
At the end of the day, a nurse is a nurse!
Exactly... and people who say things like "I would rather a nurse with xx GPA then xy GPA" really have no understand of what nursing is really all about.
As patients, most of us will never know where nurses that take care of us went to school unless we ask, and how many patients REALLY do that? A mere fraction if that. When it comes down to it, I don't care if a nurse went to college @ Cornell, Columbia, Concordia, Compton or even Cambodia. As long as you're licensed and give me top-notch, compassionate and professional care that makes me feel better than before we met, you're the best nurse in my book! Honestly, I am tired of the elitist attitudes and sense of entitlement from Ivy League grads that think they are better than any person who is not one.
At the end of the day, a nurse is a nurse!
I actually get asked where I went to school almost everyday. Its more of the pt trying to figure out a little more about you in these smaller towns. I dont mind them asking. And I dont mind the asking when I graduated and they find out its only been a few months. In the end, it does boil down to how you treat the pt and give good safe care.
Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Ivy League vs CC is a simplistic argument anyway. You need to compare nursing program to nursing program, just as in anything else. Here in California, a state college, a UC or a CC may have a superior program depending on your course of study. Just thought I'd join the fun for a little bit. :)
I actually get asked where I went to school almost everyday. Its more of the pt trying to figure out a little more about you in these smaller towns.
Yep, same here ... get that question often. Never had a patient refuse my care because I did a nontraditional, distance learning Paramedic-to-RN program for my ADN. And we all take the same NCLEX-RN, right?
Funny, this discussion thread reminds me ... back when I was in medic school (community college), we had our National Registry practicals (the skills portion of the paramedic exam) with the students from a very prestigious school in DC. Most of them failed .... after jeering at us for being CC medics. Amusing. We also used to joke that a patient lying on the sidewalk wasn't going to ask where we went to school after calling 911.
To the OP: good luck finding the right program, because apparently that one wasn't it. I agree with others' suggestions to look into Accelerated BSN programs.
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Cornell belongs to the Ivy League just as Oregon is a Pac-10 school or Kentucky is an SEC school.
I think this thread highlights an issue we've probably all struggled with to some extent - how to put our best foot forward for our respective schools' admissions committees. We are all jumping through whatever hoops they tell us to whether it's a certain GPA, test score, experiences, essays, interviews.
While I don't think that basing admission on GPA alone is inherently unfair, I do think it's unfair if the admissions committee decided to change the criteria they consider after the application deadline. My school does GPA only but they have had pilot essay questions the past few semesters. I think that they are using our applications and the information that they gain to try to quantify things like experience or a previous degree.
Its hard to feel like just a number when we all know that we have so much more to offer than can be reflected in a test score or GPA.