I just applied to the nursing program at the College of Brockport (in Rochester, NY) as a transfer. I have already completed my BS in biology from Cornell University with a 3.6.
I was rejected today, called, and they eventually sent me to the Dept. Chair for Nursing. She explained that they had SO many applicants for direct transfer, the only "fair" way to do it was to base the acceptance on GPA only. Nevermind the essay we had to write, or what school we went to, or our experience - GPA only.
I asked her if school was even considered, she said no. So I said "An applicant with a 3.7 from a community college would get priority over me with a 3.6 from an Ivy League school?" She said yes.
Am I the only one who thinks this is freaking ridiculous?? I could get a 4.0 from a community college with little to no effort if I wanted to. I'm just so angry at them right now.
I would like to simply say I apologize to anyone offended by anything I have said. As said by the mods, I started this only because I was so upset by what I find to be very asinine ways of choosing a nursing cohort. Everyone needed to simply agree or disagree - not go into this thing of attacking me because I think my school should have been taken into account. That's my opinion. I respect anyone who chooses to become a nurse, Ivy League or Community College, because it is a difficult job. I don't mean to come off in a way that suggests CC grads do not deserve to become nurses, but that I feel my hard work should be recognized, and that I think achieving a 3.9 nursing pre-req GPA from an Ivy League should be sufficient for a state nursing school.
I appreciate you saying that and I also am sorry for what I wrote. I know and can understand from my own trials of getting into nursing school how frustrating it is. I had a school I worked very hard for 1 and half years doing all my pre-req work there and when I went to apply on my birthday the counsler informed me that I had no chance because they were changing there admission procedure and I woun't get into a longer story but I felt completely screwed and anywhere else I transferred too gave preference to their own students first so I was very disheartened. A good student shouldn't have to go through so much to finish tehir education but I looked around and found a great school and everything worked out for the better. I'm sure it will for you as well :heartbeat
So you are saying although she did not make the admissions criteria set by that particular school, since she has a few ivy league credits she should have been "ushered" in to the program ahead of all the students that were more qualified according to their admissions criteria? AND given a free ride?
I am completely astonished.
It's not just a few credits in an ivy it's a BS in biology. No one says she deserves a free ride but she does deserve credit for getting that good of a gpa. You keep criticizing her for "insulting" cc's but what exactly are you doing to make this better? She apologized but you just keep adding more fuel to the fire. You want to be a nurse so be kind and forgiving.
Oh dear, what a trainwreck...Cathylady, just curious, but it says you're an instructor. Where do you teach? I find your claims that an IVY league education as being better outrageous and as teacher I really think it would be best in your position to promote education in general and not degrade the merits of a community college. Just saying...
I am a public school teacher.
I went to a CC for my AS, a very well known uninversity for my BS and another university for my Masters' degree.
Education is good, education is GREAT and where you receive that education DOES makes a difference. Those are the cold hard facts whether you want to believe them or not and just because you don't believe them doesn't make the fact any less factual.
Why is it so difficult for you to acknowledge that educations differ, qualifications differ, degrees differ, and colleges differ?
Do certain colleges make better nurses, better teachers? Maybe, maybe not; we certainly can't possibly know the answer to that but should one value a degree from an IVY league school over a CC, that's a no-brainer.
On a kindler gentler note I will say this, I put nurses on the highest pedestal that exists no matter from what institution they graduated. They are intrinstically the most amazing people on the face of this earth.:heartbeat
Also, thank you iluvpatho for accepting my apology. I am trying to not respond negatively to stefany, but the things she is saying about CC's being equal to Ivy League schools is very infuriating. Can a single CC student be better than an Ivy League student? Hell yes. Is an entire CC community better, on average, than an entire Ivy League community? Not a chance.
I find your claims that an IVY league education as being better outrageous
Hahahaha, yes. The claim that an Ivy League education is better than a community college education (which doesn't even teach upper level courses, mind you, nor grant BS degrees), is outrageous.
Hahahaha, yes. The claim that an Ivy League education is better than a community college education (which doesn't even teach upper level courses, mind you, nor grant BS degrees), is outrageous.
Hey let's not be rude now. This will only cause more fights. If people want to think that both types of institutions are equal then fine but no one should insult or make sarcastic comments about either a cc or a university/ivy.
I do acknowledge they are different. I took classes at Brown (my first semester in College), transferred to a UC and finished some nursing prereqs at a CC. The biggest difference I encountered, was the cost of education and classroom size. Education is great, but it certainly does not guarantee success. I think I can list well over a dozen examples how your educational institution has little reflection as to your potential and no, I'm not going to write them all out. It's a shame, as an educator, that you have such a strange view on education. It's not something I expected to see from a teacher.
Argument goes both ways obviously, OP did sound a little "privileged" to me as well, it could all just be in the wording. That being said, I went to a UC, graduated, went back to a CC to finish off prereqs, and the classes at my CC was harder than anything I've ever taken at my 4 year college. I have 3 bachelor degrees so I wasn't fooling around either!
It sucks that you weren't accepted, but that's just how some nursing programs go. Funny how usually the ones that just use GPA as a criteria usually are cheaper. The ones that want an well-rounded student charge a arm and leg in my area. At least feel lucky that all schools are not just lottery...that blows.
Im sorry you didnt get in...lots of students dont.
I kind of get the feeling that you applied to a CC thinking that it would be very easy to get in because its "just" a community college ..that with your degree and status of your previous school acceptance would be a "slam dunk" ...and the fact that you didnt has really bruised your ego.
I can understand that you are angry..but this is the reality of nursing school....too many applicants not enough spots...only the best get in. If your pre req gpa really is 3.9 then you need to apply to a school that only counts that GPA ...not one that takes all classes into account.
Also, thank you iluvpatho for accepting my apology. I am trying to not respond negatively to stefany, but the things she is saying about CC's being equal to Ivy League schools is very infuriating. Can a single CC student be better than an Ivy League student? Hell yes. Is an entire CC community better, on average, than an entire Ivy League community? Not a chance.
Ok guys, not trying to stir the pot, but I did not say a CC was equal to Ivy League. I said it was insulting to community college students on this site to say that you can make a 4.0 at a CC without any effort so they should have made a special exception for you in this school's admissions office because you have an ivy league education... even though their policy is to base admission GPA alone, regardless of where you attended.
There are students who put their blood, sweat, and tears into making a great GPA at every college, CC or not. I'm sure you worked really hard at Cornell, which is why you should probably find a university that is more willing to recognize it instead of putting CC students down in a vent. All nursing programs (that I've seen) have their admissions criteria on their websites.
.....................just kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OB-nurse2013, BSN, RN
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I appreciate you saying that and I also am sorry for what I wrote. I know and can understand from my own trials of getting into nursing school how frustrating it is. I had a school I worked very hard for 1 and half years doing all my pre-req work there and when I went to apply on my birthday the counsler informed me that I had no chance because they were changing there admission procedure and I woun't get into a longer story but I felt completely screwed and anywhere else I transferred too gave preference to their own students first so I was very disheartened. A good student shouldn't have to go through so much to finish tehir education but I looked around and found a great school and everything worked out for the better. I'm sure it will for you as well :heartbeat