I just applied to the nursing program at the College of Brockport (in Rochester, NY) as a transfer. I have already completed my BS in biology from Cornell University with a 3.6.
I was rejected today, called, and they eventually sent me to the Dept. Chair for Nursing. She explained that they had SO many applicants for direct transfer, the only "fair" way to do it was to base the acceptance on GPA only. Nevermind the essay we had to write, or what school we went to, or our experience - GPA only.
I asked her if school was even considered, she said no. So I said "An applicant with a 3.7 from a community college would get priority over me with a 3.6 from an Ivy League school?" She said yes.
Am I the only one who thinks this is freaking ridiculous?? I could get a 4.0 from a community college with little to no effort if I wanted to. I'm just so angry at them right now.
This post is ridiculous...GPA or an IVY league degree doesn't make a good nurse. Some of the smartest people in my class lack the common sense to be competent nurse. In the long run, what is going to matter is the connections you make in clinicals and passing the NCLEX...everything else is trivial. Your rejection happened for a reason, if for nothing else to remind you that where you got your degree will not matter to some programs. Dust yourself off and diversify your application process. And if your IVY league degree is something you value and want to be acknowledged for, pick a program that takes that into consideration. If nursing is what you truly want to do and what you have a passion for, suck up your pride, and get used to the rejection and keep on trucking. Its tough getting into any program, and each one will have their own prerequisites for entry that are slightly different than another program. Take the rejection and use it to drive you harder, graduate from a program and get a good job doing what you love, so that you can wave a middle finger at that school. You don't need them anyways...
Siberian, that is not "all" you said in your private message to me. I've tried really hard to be kind and nice despite the attitude you are exhibiting on this thread. As mentioned I mean no disrespect when I suggest you change your elitist attitude, because it will not serve you well in nursing school. Being successful in NS is what you want, is it not?
As I said, with all due respect, you *seem* like a very angry, spiteful person. I truly do hope things get better for you.
a patient isnt going to care if you had a previous degree from an Ivy League school..why...because its not your NURSING degree...how will that degree make you a better nurse..it doesnt. Sure you may know a lot of book worm stuff...but can you put their catheter in as painless as possible...THATS what the patient will care about.
I asked her if school was even considered, she said no. So I said "An applicant with a 3.7 from a community college would get priority over me with a 3.6 from an Ivy League school?" She said yes. Am I the only one who thinks this is freaking ridiculous??
Hmm, a 3.6 from an Ivy League school misspelling "ridiculous" ....
You should consider the legal profession ... now THAT'S a field that really cares where you went to school.
Hmm, a 3.6 from an Ivy League school misspelling "ridiculous" ....
Very petty. It's called a typo.
I don't understand why everyone on this board is so jealous and spiteful. It's really sad. I don't think being an Ivy League student means you will make a better nurse - once someone graduates nursing school, and takes the NCLEX, it doesn't really matter what school they went to as long as they deliver great care. What I have being TRYING to explain before all of you people jumped all over me is that in terms of being ABLE TO HANDLE to work in nursing school, if I were on the admissions committee, I would think someone who can achieve a 3.6 at Cornell with a BS in biology to be more than capable of handling nursing school, and if I had to choose between this person, and a 3.7 at a Community College (with no other information) - I would choose the Cornell student.
Why? - Many reasons:
1. Many CC's are great - but there isn't much standardization. CC's pop up all the time. Some are great, some are horrible. It's very hard to verify that some random CC is a "good" school. With Cornell, and other top schools - there is no question. These schools have been around for hundreds of years and have proven themselves capable of producing extremely well-educated graduates.
2. Community college students do not take upper level courses. Getting a 4.0 in CC means doing so in lower level courses - intro biology courses, microbiology, etc. My transcript is full of more specific classes, higher level classes that go far deeper into the subject matter than any community college does. That is simply the nature of going to a large, well-funded school such as Cornell vs. a community college.
That is all I am trying to say, but instantly everyone who has ever attend a CC stomps their feet and tries to start an argument, going as far as saying CC's are equal to Ivy League in terms of education. This is false, and not the point of my original post.
Going to a CC is great - it helps people achieve their goals, and it is where I got my start before Cornell. But it is okay to admit Ivy Leagues are better. It doesn't mean your school is any less, but trying to say that a CC is better than an Ivy League school, just because you went to one and find it hard, makes no sense. Maybe here, anonymously, you can say that with a straight face - but go out in the real world and ask people that. Take a poll and ask "Would you receive a better education at Harvard or Main County Community College?" I guarantee upwards of 97% would choose Harvard. I cannot change anyone's mind here, and I don't care to. I know that one day I will be a nurse, and I will happily work alongside my fellow nurses, CC or not. As far as nursing goes, I don't care what school my fellow nurses attended, as long as they provide excellent care, I would likely go to them for advice. That isn't the point.
Nursing, as a whole, is very standardized - and a graduate of ANY school likely has the skills to be a great nurse. I know that.
General education - that is not equal. An associate's degree from a community college doesn't hold a candle to a BS degree from an Ivy League. There is just no contest. I'm sorry to those of you who can't accept that.
Hmm, a 3.6 from an Ivy League school misspelling "ridiculous" ....
You should consider the legal profession ... now THAT'S a field that really cares where you went to school.
And even then, it may be difficult to get a job!
I have a friend who graduated from Georgetown Law, and he was out of work for over a year (in NYC). If he couldn't get a job, then imagine how tough it would be for a graduate of a lesser prestigious school!
Sorry for the long post. It's all I have to say, if you guys want to keep beating up on Ivy League schools, go ahead. I don't care anymore. I respect anyone who becomes a nurse, whether they do so at a CC or at Columbia nursing school, and I fully believe that a CC nurse can be as educated, if not more so, than a nurse from a top university. But as far as any other degree, say a Biology degree.... Ivy League Biology Degree > Community College Biology Degree 99% of the time.
My transcript is full of more specific classes, higher level classes that go far deeper into the subject matter than any community college does. That is simply the nature of going to a large, well-funded school such as Cornell vs. a community college.
Ok..I give up. You are smarter than I. Karma is all I have to add
So no, I do not "see their position" - I see the school being too lazy to fairly decide on applicants and instead chose the easy way out.
I'd rather have a 3.6 Cornell grad as my nurse than 4.0 Community College grad any day of the week.
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As a patient, I'd rather have a Nurse who was understanding and compassionate. Accepting of the staff's position of decision making on my behalf, (you are a team after all) and not blame the world for not seeing things *my* way.
Also, I would not want a Nurse who could not accept my opinion as a patient in decision making.
As long as my Nurse passed her State Exams, she is qualified. I really don't care what school he/she attended. If he/she is a good, well-rounded, thoughtful, patient's come first, Nurse. That comes first in my opinion regarding quality patient care.
I'm sorry, as I am not trying to be insulting. But, from what you've written -a superior, condescending attitude is not going to get you very far in the Nursing profession, without a lot of enemies, or co-workers who don''t want to be part of your team.
You're blaming the school for being "Lazy" and choosing the easy way out, because they didn't do things the way you would like them done. I just cringe reading your posts. And sadly you just don't see nor get it.
Being a good Nurse encompasses far much more than what prestigious school one attended.
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This post is ridiculous...GPA or an IVY league degree doesn't make a good nurse. Some of the smartest people in my class lack the common sense to be competent nurse. In the long run, what is going to matter is the connections you make in clinicals and passing the NCLEX...everything else is trivial. Your rejection happened for a reason, if for nothing else to remind you that where you got your degree will not matter to some programs. Dust yourself off and diversify your application process. And if your IVY league degree is something you value and want to be acknowledged for, pick a program that takes that into consideration. If nursing is what you truly want to do and what you have a passion for, suck up your pride, and get used to the rejection and keep on trucking. Its tough getting into any program, and each one will have their own prerequisites for entry that are slightly different than another program. Take the rejection and use it to drive you harder, graduate from a program and get a good job doing what you love, so that you can wave a middle finger at that school. You don't need them anyways...