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Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2021/12/03/clark-eastman-fifth-amendment/
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/08/politics/mark-meadows-lawsuit/index.html
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
https://www.newsweek.com/mark-meadows-powerpoint-January-election-results-trump-1658076
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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On Fox News it's the 8th story down. I had to endure four minutes while I administered an IV push medication with a patient watching Fox News "The Five" ranting about Biden and the Democrats ruining the economy and what a coincidence it was that the committee announced the subpoena today of all days when the inflation numbers came out. The babbled about the Americans not caring about Jan. 6th with such a crappy economy.
The 5th lead story was about Mark Walberg leaving Hollywood for the sake of his family. Really?
I understand the economy sucks but a lot of us do care about some sort of accountability. Honestly, I have no hope of that. People are saying "lock him up". Never going to happen. I almost wish this committee would throw in the towel.
Interesting times.
14 hours ago, Tweety said:The entire post is a deflection off the topic of whether Trump participated in trying to overthrow the American government or "democrats trying to assure he doesn't run in 2024". I might agree that "leading America to War with Russia" might be more dangerous than overthrowing the US government, but it's an entirely different topic designed to take attention away from Trump.
Putin put lip service to wanting peace and negations but that's all it was, he never intended to negotiate. Almost sounds silly "let's bomb Ukraine...oh and we're willing to negotiate and make peace".
I think today's final hearing, no matter what it says isn't going to make a difference. They could have a film of him saying "the election was false and I'm raising an Army to overthrow the government on January 6th and arm them" and people wouldn't care. They would call it fake and Trump Derangement Syndrome to stop him from running for President. Or like Beerman suggested "it's at least better than anything Biden is doing".
There might be an idea that I've seen floating around that NATO and US actions years ago and leading up to the war lead to the war but that's another thread, another topic.
My post was a reply to a post about Putin and nukes. Nothing to do with Jan 6, so not sure how I was deflecting ftom the topic. And, I'm not trying to or under any illusion that I can take anyone attention away from Trump. LOL
2 hours ago, NRSKarenRN said:January 6th Committee Select Committee unanimously voted to subpoena Donald J. Trump over his actions taken surrounding January 6th and failure of peaceful transfer of power.
Fox News big topic during hearing:
On CNN:
At ABC News:
At CBS:
At NBC News:
At USA Today and Newsmax:
Obvious that 1/3 -1/2 country not getting important news of the day when former President Trump is involved that impacts their ability to be a fully informed voter.
I still smirk when I think of the day that Woodward's Rage was released and some new creepy story was revealed about Mr.Caligula USA. We turned to see what Fox was saying and they were having a session about recipes! Deflect and deny:)
8 minutes ago, Tweety said:On Fox News it's the 8th story down. I had to endure four minutes while I administered an IV push medication with a patient watching Fox News "The Five" ranting about Biden and the Democrats ruining the economy and what a coincidence it was that the committee announced the subpoena today of all days when the inflation numbers came out. The babbled about the Americans not caring about Jan. 6th with such a crappy economy.
I think it's more significant they put this off until closer to the election.
If you go ask 100 people on the street what is their bigger concern, economy vs Jan 6, what do you think the split woukd be?
4 minutes ago, Beerman said:My post was a reply to a post about Putin and nukes. Nothing to do with Jan 6, so not sure how I was deflecting ftom the topic. And, I'm not trying to or under any illusion that I can take anyone attention away from Trump. LOL
I apologize then I missed something and it was early.
The "Biden is worse" idea is something that I hear often in defense of all things Trump and I find annoying. But you know I have an issue with that anyway. As I mentioned having to endure "The Five" on Fox News. They mentioned the committee and immediately went on an anti-Biden anti-Democrat rant. It's frustrating from the "lock her up" crowd.
4 minutes ago, Beerman said:I think it's more significant they put this off until closer to the election.
If you go ask 100 people on the street what is their bigger concern, economy vs Jan 6, what do you think the split woukd be?
Why would't it be 50/50 like everything else? To ignore either one is not an option.
6 minutes ago, Beerman said:I think it's more significant they put this off until closer to the election.
If you go ask 100 people on the street what is their bigger concern, economy vs Jan 6, what do you think the split woukd be?
Yes, Fox News brought that up. That's a separate story in my opinion. Fox News and Republicans are heavily promoting that people don't care about January 6th in relationship to the economy. Duh. It's always the economy. For many of us Jan. 6th is a bad memory but we don't care about it much.
If you asked people what is a more important story that the committee subpoenaed Trump or that Mark Walberg left Hollywood. What do you think the split would be?
21 hours ago, NRSKarenRN said:Please watch tomorrows January 6th Committee hearing, 1PM EST
This Jan 6th hearing will show new Secret Service surveillance video and records showing Trump knew about violence occurring January 6th, and sought to flame it posting on Twitter 10 minutes post Pence escorted from the Senate floor:
Washington Post 10/12/22
New evidence to show Trump was warned of violence on Jan. 6
No thanks. Sounds like more of the same.
Somewhere in one of these posts was a quote from someone about Trump's "indifference" to the violence. I would agree, and think he should have done more to stop it. Although, don't know that would have made any difference.
My day was much better spent playing volleyball on a FL beach, followed by some great seafood and a few beers. You'll have to tell me about what "bombshells" I missed.
1 minute ago, subee said:Why would't it be 50/50 like everything else? To ignore either one is not an option.
Haha...not even close to 50/50. Imo, of course.
12 minutes ago, subee said:Why would't it be 50/50 like everything else? To ignore either one is not an option.
The bigger concern to people is inflation and the economy.
Phrased a bit differently, leaving the economy out of it because that's deflection, such as "do you support what the Jan. 6th committee is doing" and it would probably be 50/50.
13 hours ago, Beerman said:I think it's more significant they put this off until closer to the election.
If you go ask 100 people on the street what is their bigger concern, economy vs Jan 6, what do you think the split woukd be?
Everyday is closer to an election in this democratic republic. Trump is not in any ballot. The Select Committee is charged with completing this work by the end of this Congress, that mandates that they wrap up their work by 123122. That's how congressional hearings work.
How you ask the question about accountability will determine the responses that you get to questions like the one you propose. The economy will be whatever the authoritarian says it will be if we don't have accountability for the ongoing Trumpian attempt to undermine our elections.
For instance, you would likely express concern about accountability for an attempt to overthrow our government, but you would vote for a Trump backed election denier because you believe that democrats are working to destroy our country. You've been convinced that January 6th wasn't an orchestrated attempt by a desperate conman/despot to retain lost power through violence. Convinced by marketing and feelings rather than facts and evidence.
4 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:Everyday is closer to an election in this democratic republic. Trump is not in any ballot. The Select Committee is charged with completing this work by the end of this Congress, that mandates that they wrap up their work by 123122. That's how congressional hearings work.
How you ask the question about accountability will determine the responses that you get to questions like the one you propose. The economy will be whatever the authoritarian says it will be if we don't have accountability for the ongoing Trumpian attempt to undermine our elections.
For instance, you would likely express concern about accountability for an attempt to overthrow our government, but you would vote for a Trump backed election denier because you believe that democrats are working to destroy our country. You've been convinced that January 6th wasn't an orchestrated attempt by a desperate conman/despot to retain lost power through violence. Convinced by marketing and feelings rather than facts and evidence.
I remember all those election deniers except it was 2016. Republicans are going to win both houses and all of your liberal fairy tale dreams are going to be gone. Because no one cares about January 6th when Biden has caused so much damage to the country and international community that even then French think he’s a fool. You’ll have it your best shot but you got nothing except failure.
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