Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
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Jim Jordan is a big liar about Trump's election lies. It is very generous to ignore his many lies to presume that he's not lying about January 6 at this time.
If we're going to bother with this, where is the subpoenas for Pelosi, the Sergeant of Arms, Capitol Police and others who where in charge of security that day? I'd like to know what led to such lax security measures.
How do you know they haven't already spoken to them? And I believe a report has been generated by an inspector general.
Many people have already come forward without a subpoena.
Jim Jordan is a big liar about Trump's election lies. It is very generous to ignore his many lies to presume that he's not lying about January 6 at this time.
He's always been repulsive to me. His behavior in enabling the "The Great Lie" is pathetic. I was pretty turned off by republicans in power not standing up against Trump and admitting defeat and supporting the Democratic process and their silence was deafening. Then there were leaders in building distrust of Democracy before and after the election and Jordan was one of those.
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5 hours ago, Tweety said:
I think it's a case of them being caught with their pants down. I think mostly because they thought it would be a peaceful protest. Also with a history of hundreds of protests over the years this kind of stuff doesn't happen.
Also there were accusations of racism involved because BLM protests had more security and this one did not.
But it would be interesting to see supeona Pelosi to see if she had any advance notice that this could happen and did nothing about it. I suppose.
I also heard, and I apologize for not having a direct link to an article about it, that some law enforcement entities in Washington DC were skittish about preparing to deploy security because of the fallout from the Lafayette Square protest incident, no matter how that originated, it looked like excessive force even though chaotic agency integration probably contributed greatly to the outcome there.
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4 hours ago, Beerman said:
Maybe. If we're going to get to the bottom of it all and make sure this doesn't happen again, we need to know the cause of security failures.
It seems more likely this is just more political theatre ny the Democrats. So, we'll see.
Given that most of the conservative media outlets repeated or elevated lies about the election and continue to report on the event on 010621 as if it is nothing more than political theater it's not at all surprising that you have that perspective. This is especially true knowing how Shapiro has reported on the violence and incitement over the past year and specifically over the past few days. Why would you think differently when the majority of your media pundits are focusing on that rather than the cause and motivation of the violence?
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9 hours ago, nursel56 said:
I also heard, and I apologize for not having a direct link to an article about it, that some law enforcement entities in Washington DC were skittish about preparing to deploy security because of the fallout from the Lafayette Square protest incident, no matter how that originated, it looked like excessive force even though chaotic agency integration probably contributed greatly to the outcome there.
I thought that was testified to during a public hearing with capitol police following the attack.
Maybe. If we're going to get to the bottom of it all and make sure this doesn't happen again, we need to know the cause of security failures.
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Given that most of the conservative media outlets repeated or elevated lies about the election and continue to report on the event on 010621 as if it is nothing more than political theater it's not at all surprising that you have that perspective. This is especially true knowing how Shapiro has reported on the violence and incitement over the past year and specifically over the past few days. Why would you think differently when the majority of your media pundits are focusing on that rather than the cause and motivation of the violence?
Are you suggesting that it isn't important, or that we don't need to know, of any security failures by congressional leadership in both the House and Senate? Or any branch of, or governmental agency? Regardless of party affiliation? Don't you think we need to know all of this to know, in your words, "the cause and motivation of the violence?"
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5 minutes ago, chare said:
Are you suggesting that it isn't important, or that we don't need to know, of any security failures by congressional leadership in both the House and Senate? Or any branch of, or governmental agency? Regardless of party affiliation? Don't you think we need to know all of this to know, in your words, "the cause and motivation of the violence?"
No that's not what I said nor suggested. There have already been public hearings and reports about some of that. The investigations are underway. I'm pushing back against the need to change the focus to the already scrutinized security rather than discuss the purpose of the mob that day. It's a strategy to avoid discussing why the mob assembled that day. Who paid for it? Who organized it. Who marketed it...where and how? Who inspired the mob to move to the Capitol where a joint session of Congress was underway? Who motivated and incited the mob? Who was the potential benefactor of the attack? How was that person involved and how does that involvement compare to his duty? This was an attempt to change the results of an election. It was clumsy and failed, but that's what it was.
The cause of the attack may have had some impact on the security provisions for that day because there were powerful people sympathetic to the events of that day all through the executive and legislative branches of government as well as right wing sympathizers among the police hierarchy.
No that's not what I said nor suggested. There have already been public hearings and reports about some of that. The investigations are underway. I'm pushing back against the need to change the focus to the already scrutinized security rather than discuss the purpose of the mob that day. It's a strategy to avoid discussing why the mob assembled that day. Who paid for it? Who organized it. Who marketed it...where and how? Who inspired the mob to move to the Capitol where a joint session of Congress was underway? Who motivated and incited the mob? Who was the potential benefactor of the attack? How was that person involved and how does that involvement compare to his duty? This was an attempt to change the results of an election. It was clumsy and failed, but that's what it was.
The cause of the attack may have had some impact on the security provisions for that day because there were powerful people sympathetic to the events of that day all through the executive and legislative branches of government as well as right wing sympathizers among the police hierarchy.
I can agree with you here. The "how did they get into the capitol" was one of the first concerns, and a very important concern, and has been addressed and investigated and hopefully ongoing improvements are in the works to prevent it from happening again.
To want to circle back and focus on that without addressing your other questions I don't think is helpful.
At the end of the day I'm still not hopeful that having those questions answered will amount to much. I'd like to think that people's eyes will be opened to the big lie that Trump won the election, but those people are too far gone. The best we can do is to continue to prosecute those that participated that committed crimes. I think this is being done. I read that a man got a five year sentence for attacking a police officer.
"So, what lies behind the Democratic-media obsession with Jan. 6? Political opportunism. Democrats aren’t even hiding the ball. Facing the ever-likelier prospect of a 2022 midterm wipeout, Democrats have hit on a strategy: they have to rig the electoral rules and overthrow traditional democratic institutions in order to stop Republicans from rigging the electoral rules and overthrowing traditional democratic institutions. Jan. 6, to opportunistic Democrats, is the all-purpose excuse to use the entire weight of their party to push for a radical revision of Senate rules and federal elections. As Politico reported this week, “Democrats are hoping that Thursday will be more than just a day of remembrance. In the Senate, we hear from well-positioned sources, there’s a desire to take the opportunity to supercharge the party’s long-stalled voting rights legislation — possibly even using the anniversary to try to get Sens. Krysten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Joe Manchin, D-W.VA, to go nuclear on the filibuster or embrace rules changes.”
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Jim Jordan is a big liar about Trump's election lies. It is very generous to ignore his many lies to presume that he's not lying about January 6 at this time.
https://www.justsecurity.org/77852/timeline-rep-jim-jordan-a-systematic-disinformation-campaign-and-January-6/