Things seem to be unfolding rather quickly. Former White House aides and advisors are scrambling to cover themselves as they receive subpoenas to appear and produce documents.
It’s rare when lawyers — as opposed to their clients — take the Fifth Amendment. But Jeffrey Clark, the former Justice Department lawyer who reportedly tried to help Donald Trump overturn the 2020 presidential election, is now claiming the privilege against self-incrimination to avoid testifying before the House committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol. He has just been joined in that posture by one of Trump’s main outside legal advisers, John Eastman.
The lawsuit comes after the committee signaled it would pursue a criminal contempt referral against Meadows because of his refusal to sit for a deposition in the investigation into the Capitol riot. Meadows alleges that the subpoenas are "overly broad and unduly burdensome," while claiming that the committee "lacks lawful authority to seek and to obtain" the information requested.
And apparently Mark Meadows had a power point outlining how to overturn election results.
The 38-page presentation, entitled "Election Fraud, Foreign Interference & Options for 6 Jan," is dated one day before the Capitol riot. It's believed to have been submitted by Meadows after he was subpoenaed by the panel in connection with the insurrection.
No that's not what I said nor suggested. There have already been public hearings and reports about some of that. The investigations are underway. I'm pushing back against the need to change the focus to the already scrutinized security rather than discuss the purpose of the mob that day. It's a strategy to avoid discussing why the mob assembled that day. Who paid for it? Who organized it. Who marketed it...where and how? Who inspired the mob to move to the Capitol where a joint session of Congress was underway? Who motivated and incited the mob? Who was the potential benefactor of the attack? How was that person involved and how does that involvement compare to his duty? This was an attempt to change the results of an election. It was clumsy and failed, but that's what it was.
The cause of the attack may have had some impact on the security provisions for that day because there were powerful people sympathetic to the events of that day all through the executive and legislative branches of government as well as right wing sympathizers among the police hierarchy.
I would like to know why there were so many military people there, just for my own personal knowledge. Being sympathetic to military families, Ihave always had a recurring donation to an NGO that supports soldiers. After the events of 1/6/22, I felt that I had no other recourse to express my disappointment than to contact the organization and have my contributions stopped. It may not be fair, but my feeling was that the weight of this organization's voice would carry further than mine. So yes, I would love to know how soldiers became radicalized.
"So, what lies behind the Democratic-media obsession with Jan. 6? Political opportunism. Democrats aren’t even hiding the ball. Facing the ever-likelier prospect of a 2022 midterm wipeout, Democrats have hit on a strategy: they have to rig the electoral rules and overthrow traditional democratic institutions in order to stop Republicans from rigging the electoral rules and overthrowing traditional democratic institutions. Jan. 6, to opportunistic Democrats, is the all-purpose excuse to use the entire weight of their party to push for a radical revision of Senate rules and federal elections. As Politico reported this week, “Democrats are hoping that Thursday will be more than just a day of remembrance. In the Senate, we hear from well-positioned sources, there’s a desire to take the opportunity to supercharge the party’s long-stalled voting rights legislation — possibly even using the anniversary to try to get Sens. Krysten Sinema, D-Ariz., and Joe Manchin, D-W.VA, to go nuclear on the filibuster or embrace rules changes.”
I don't see them using January 6th much to promote their agenda about voting rights. There's a lot of right wing rhetoric in this article like "radical revision..." blah blah blah. But yes, it makes sense for Democrats to capitalize on January 6th and it's obvious they did so on January 6th, but thanks for pointing it out.
I think in other threads we beat the republicans suddenly deciding they needed to pass voting legislation to death.
Totally unrelated to this thread there is a lot of rhetoric from the left on the voting rights platform such as "our democracy is in peril".
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1 hour ago, subee said:
I would like to know why there were so many military people there, just for my own personal knowledge. Being sympathetic to military families, Ihave always had a recurring donation to an NGO that supports soldiers. After the events of 1/6/22, I felt that I had no other recourse to express my disappointment than to contact the organization and have my contributions stopped. It may not be fair, but my feeling was that the weight of this organization's voice would carry further than mine. So yes, I would love to know how soldiers became radicalized.
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9 minutes ago, Tweety said:
I don't see them using January 6th much to promote their agenda about voting rights. There's a lot of right wing rhetoric in this article like "radical revision..." blah blah blah. But yes, it makes sense for Democrats to capitalize on January 6th and it's obvious they did so on January 6th, but thanks for pointing it out.
I think in other threads we beat the republicans suddenly deciding they needed to pass voting legislation to death.
Totally unrelated to this thread there is a lot of rhetoric from the left on the voting rights platform such as "our democracy is in peril".
If an attempted coup and after more than a year of persistent lies about election integrity coupled with legislation to limit voting aren't threats to our republic, what would qualify as a threat? What would put our republic or any democracy in more peril than a political party willing to lie about elections, back a coup attempt and legislate to limit voting?
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8 minutes ago, Beerman said:
Is that what the NYT and WashPo feeds you? Actually, that sounds more like something you would hear on The View.
What type of public area does your imangination picture that one could watch enough TV to become radicalized?
I observed waiting areas in public places with televisions, break rooms and eating areas playing Fox or OAN when I had an office in a military hospital on an Army base. The two exceptions were the pediatric waiting room which played cartoons and a rehab area that played old movies. Many of the seating areas in the officers and command offices and work areas had televisions which had Fox playing constantly. When I was meeting with enlisted troops it was not unusual to hear Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or Mark Levine in the background of common areas. This drub of biased and inflammatory rhetoric plays a role in indoctrination.
It seems that young men with personal preference for white supremacy or other right wing extremism are prone to join the military for the training and experience. They contribute to the influence of others and recruit sympathizers into their clubs or groups.
What was your experience on military base with this sort of thing? How would you explain the radicalization that has resulted in the military acknowledging that there's a problem with that type extremism among its ranks?
I guess that you may have missed that what I sourced to support my thinking about extremists in the military was neither the WaPo nor the NYT. What did you think about the article in Military Times?
I observed waiting areas in public places with televisions, break rooms and eating areas playing Fox or OAN when I had an office in a military hospital on an Army base. The two exceptions were the pediatric waiting room which played cartoons and a rehab area that played old movies. Many of the seating areas in the officers and command offices and work areas had televisions which had Fox playing constantly. When I was meeting with enlisted troops it was not unusual to hear Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or Mark Levine in the background of common areas. This drub of biased and inflammatory rhetoric plays a role in indoctrination.
It seems that young men with personal preference for white supremacy or other right wing extremism are prone to join the military for the training and experience. They contribute to the influence of others and recruit sympathizers into their clubs or groups.
What was your experience on military base with this sort of thing? How would you explain the radicalization that has resulted in the military acknowledging that there's a problem with that type extremism among its ranks?
I guess that you may have missed that what I sourced to support my thinking about extremists in the military was neither the WaPo nor the NYT. What did you think about the article in Military Times?
If the Military Times reports there is a problem with extremists in the military, I don't have any knowledge to say otherwise.
However, I do have enough life experience that I'm not buying that extremists, left or right, are made from TV programming in waiting rooms, airports, bars, restaurants, or any other public place. Or by the few hours a week any one radio host or TV commentor is on the air.
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19 minutes ago, Beerman said:
If the Military Times reports there is a problem with extremists in the military, I don't have any knowledge to say otherwise.
However, I do have enough life experience that I'm not buying that extremists, left or right, are made from TV programming in waiting rooms, airports, bars, restaurants, or any other public place. Or by the few hours a week any one radio host or TV commentor is on the air.
How do you think that members of the military or other groups are radicalized into ideologies like fascism or white supremacy? Do you believe that a variety of things, that includes cable TV, social media, Internet platforms and right wing radio content could contribute to the indoctrination or radicalization of susceptible individuals? Why do you think that soldiers living and working on base are only exposed to these situations a few hours a week?
If the Military Times reports there is a problem with extremists in the military, I don't have any knowledge to say otherwise.
However, I do have enough life experience that I'm not buying that extremists, left or right, are made from TV programming in waiting rooms, airports, bars, restaurants, or any other public place. Or by the few hours a week any one radio host or TV commentor is on the air.
I think some military and veterans are very patriotic and take that to the extreme on the radical right side since we are told "Democrats hate our country" and are socialists or communists, that protesting during the national anthem disrespects veterans. Whether it's a big threat to our society or the military is unknown.
I would say that they might be influenced by right wing media but agree that the idea that Fox News is on in waiting rooms influencing these people is a big stretch I don't believe.
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1 hour ago, Tweety said:
I think some military and veterans are very patriotic and take that to the extreme on the radical right side since we are told "Democrats hate our country" and are socialists or communists, that protesting during the national anthem disrespects veterans. Whether it's a big threat to our society or the military is unknown.
I would say that they might be influenced by right wing media but agree that the idea that Fox News is on in waiting rooms influencing these people is a big stretch I don't believe.
I think that we should all be concerned when military leadership is that unaware of the implications of the media that is offered for the continuous consumption of their troops. I think that there's a problem with extremism in the military and the leadership has been late in recognizing what may be contributing to it. My time on military bases left me with the distinct impression that the command were politically conservative. They should be neutral.
I don't think that waiting room televisions are the source of radicalization but are more of a symptom of what is going on. We should pay attention to symptoms.
If the Military Times reports there is a problem with extremists in the military, I don't have any knowledge to say otherwise.
However, I do have enough life experience that I'm not buying that extremists, left or right, are made from TV programming in waiting rooms, airports, bars, restaurants, or any other public place. Or by the few hours a week any one radio host or TV commentor is on the air.
It's not just the Military Times that's concerned with far-right extremists, it's also three now-retired generals who have spoken up.
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I would like to know why there were so many military people there, just for my own personal knowledge. Being sympathetic to military families, Ihave always had a recurring donation to an NGO that supports soldiers. After the events of 1/6/22, I felt that I had no other recourse to express my disappointment than to contact the organization and have my contributions stopped. It may not be fair, but my feeling was that the weight of this organization's voice would carry further than mine. So yes, I would love to know how soldiers became radicalized.