Is the RN--->BSN push a clever way to get older nurses out of the way

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As in certain "Baby Boomers" who wont retire? Wont we NEED a faster RN producing mechanism (hello again, ADN programs!) in order to provide enough nurses to care for this huge group of people due to retire soon?? Just wondering...

In turn I resent your attitude that you consider yourself more important than your patients and the profession.

Sooo...you're saying that all nurses who choose to go to ADN programs are self-centered individuals who don't care as much about the profession or about their patients as you do. I see. Gotcha.

I'm afraid to ask what you think of LPNs. I'm a single, childless young man with above-average intelligence and a large amount of disposable income. Going for my BSN or beyond would be easier for me in my situation than any LPNs or ADNs that I personally know. But I'm happy where I am and have no intention of going back to school in the near future.

I guess that means I'm not thinking about whats best for my patients, or what's best for the larger nursing profession. How dare I pursue the education and career path that works best for my life. How selfish!

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moderator note the original title of this thread was Is the RN--->BSN push a clever way to get older nurses out of the way

Lets debate the topic and not the posters.

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Specializes in Behavioral health.

Everyone chill out. Don't take anything on this thread personal.

Increasing the level of education is a noble goal on paper but implementation has been **** poor. Everybody is getting shafted. BSN's have a 4 year degree but from anecdotal reports the pay isn't significant, have student debt, and they don't use their extra education. ADN's can't get a job at all.

For NY, I counted approximately 50 BSN programs and 60 ADN programs officially registered. It's not logistically possible to have 100% BSN staffing overnight. ADN and BSN have the same scope of practice. Requiring a BSN without a significant change in the job smells like disparate impact.

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There are doctors that feel the same way about you and other FNP's that chose the nursing route rather than going to medical school and doing the same thing that doctors with an MD degree do! It is ironic that the same thing you accuse me of could be said for you as well!

In rereading my post it sounded harsher than I intended, so for that I apologize.

Now not to get too far off topic but:

For the record, the research demonstrates comparable outcomes between NP and MD/DO, unlike the BSN data.

The debate is a similar one on that it deals with education levels, but the similarity largely ends there, as the research demonstrates comparable outcomes between NP and MD. There is also the aspect that MDs

Have a direct financial consequences of NP practice.

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Sooo...you're saying that all nurses who choose to go to ADN programs are self-centered individuals who don't care as much about the profession or about their patients as you do. I see. Gotcha.

I'm afraid to ask what you think of LPNs. I'm a single, childless young man with above-average intelligence and a large amount of disposable income. Going for my BSN or beyond would be easier for me in my situation than any LPNs or ADNs that I personally know. But I'm happy where I am and have no intention of going back to school in the near future.

I guess that means I'm not thinking about whats best for my patients, or what's best for the larger nursing profession. How dare I pursue the education and career path that works best for my life. How selfish!

I draw no conclusions/judgements about "all nurses" based on their preferred path.

As far as LPNs, I haven't seen the outcomes research on that, so I have no bias for comment other than most of the LPNs I know I respect, and personally, I think that they have an important role in the future of nursing.

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now, that was just old fashion rude.

The boards are a minimum competency exam for entry to practice. Should they be more difficult? Perhaps but that isn't the point of this. Should nursing strive for minimum competency?

You response about why you chose ADN is a typical one. It demonstrates that students choose the way that best for them, not the way that is best for patients, or for nursing as a profession.

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you are on a roll! we are all responsible for our selves. no one else, including the "profession" is going to pay your bills. Please, no more martyr Mary/Martin. it gets old.

In turn I resent your attitude that you consider yourself more important than your patients and the profession.
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In turn I resent your attitude that you consider yourself more important than your patients and the profession.

Deleted d/t moderator request.

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That's ridiculous. If you don't take care of yourself first, you can't take care of your patients. Some people can't afford to go back to school. I can understand some of what the poster said; this is a very unstable time to take on unnecessary debt.

​I'm disabled and so if I get into this program I applied to, I will be paying tuition out of my disability income. This means it's going to take me a while to finish, but there is no way I will take out a loan to do this. I don't want something to happen to me and leave my family with debts to pay.

You can get assistance with going back to school through the vocational rehab program; they also help with keeping your income while finding work as well; I would call Social Security or go on to ssa.gov for more info. :yes:

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You can get assistance with going back to school through the vocational rehab program; they also help with keeping your income while finding work as well; I would call Social Security or go on to ssa.gov for more info. :yes:

Without going into too many details, I will not be able to work again. I'm doing this to meet a personal goal.

I did a minimal amount of work for a website and got skewered by my secondary disability policy. Between losing that income and getting clobbered in taxes, it's a real disincentive to work.

I'm aware of voc. rehab and Social Security. I've been disabled for over 2 years now.

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Without going into too many details, I will not be able to work again. I'm doing this to meet a personal goal.

I did a minimal amount of work for a website and got skewered by my secondary disability policy. Between losing that income and getting clobbered in taxes, it's a real disincentive to work.

I'm aware of voc. rehab and Social Security. I've been disabled for over 2 years now.

It's still worth it to find out; I went back and got my BSN where I was deemed "permanently" disabled; I am working as a RN part time (4 days a pay period) and my disability has been protected and I recently qualified for more credits for working and have been offered assistance; I plan to take as much help as possible, despite my permanent disability status.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.

Obviously I rustled some feathers with my comment about putting yourself first over the profession and the patients. I did apologize for the harshness of the post, it was more harsh than I intended it to be.

I do want to be clear that I don't think all ADN (or any other degree) are selfish in their motives, and to some extent I think we all are, my comment (and largely, all my comments) are directed at the "big picture". In my opinion, that big picture should be focused on the profession and the patients, not the individual.

And ONCRN, I do admire your dedication in returning to school, it's inspiring.

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