(So glad I stumbled across this website again after almost 6 years! I need to change my username because I am not an aspiring nurse anymore, I have been a nurse for almost 3 years! ?)
Anyway, I really do not want to take this new covid vaccine. I know I can’t be the only one who feels this way. Typically I am not an anti-vaxxer but something about this illness is making me think otherwise. For personal reasons I really do not want to take it when available at my hospital, but I’m afraid it will be mandatory. I am almost considering finding a new job if my hospital forces us all to take it. What a shame because I do like my job and wouldn’t know what else to turn to that isn’t nursing, because chances are most healthcare related places of employment will likely require all employees take it.
I want to use the excuse of it being against my religion but I already took the flu vaccine this year. I have nothing against the flu vaccine but didn’t necessarily want it, but my hospital practically FORCED everyone to take it unless they grant you an exemption. I’m afraid they’ll question me why I took the flu shot but cannot take the covid vaccine.
What do you guys think about this? Will you be taking the vaccine? I just want us to be able to make our own decisions about this. If patients can refuse medications, procedures, and treatments, why can’t healthcare workers do the same? I read in multiple articles it will not be required by the federal government but each state and employer can decide whether or not it will be mandatory.
And forget the $1500 “stimulus check” that may be offered if you take it. All the money in the world would not change my mind about taking the vaccine. I feel as though if you have to bribe people to take it, something is peculiar.
I don’t know why this is bothering me so much. It should be a choice in my opinion. But by telling a few friends about not wanting it I feel judged. I have worked with covid patients multiple times since I am one of the younger nurses who does not have any kids/am pregnant. I feel like week after week I was always chosen to go to the covid section. At first I was mad but now it doesn’t bother me. I am not afraid to be near covid patients. Luckily through all this time I haven’t caught it. I always tell people I’d rather catch it than get this vaccine. That’s how strongly I feel against taking the vaccine. All of my non-nursing who have had covid are covered and thriving. To me catching it isn’t the biggest deal but others have called me selfish because I could be spreading it to others. Why is it looked at as selfish for not wanting to inject something into MY body. #mybodymychoice
Am I thinking about this too much? What would you do?
I was fully aware of why the public was being told misinformation and continue to be concerned with misinformation and lack of transparency no matter the reason behind it. It’s a big issue. This nurse doesn’t expect an entire body of knowledge to appear overnight but continues to think independently and find fault on authorities purposeful misinformation and feel the need to talk with others about it.... everyone on here keeps repeating mindlessly the research studies say this, and the research studies say that.. but when the research studies aren’t even aligning with the implementation process and authorities say this is just fine and effective we are *no longer* leaning on research. It’s worth talking about because people are being given misinformation.
Misinformation when they received their first dose with promise of a second dose which would provide substantial immunity and gross misinformation that delaying the second dose by three months is still effective, which is absolutely unproven and research and doctors have adamantly been saying it must be done in three weeks....
and super confused why my response to United Kingdom’s issue with the delay of the vaccination 2nd dose is getting all these negative comments about trump? I think it’s unrelated guys?
I am more concerned about the fact that two weeks ago we were told you MUST get the second dose of the vaccine in 3 weeks or less for it to be effective and all the research shows this and then in the UK for whatever reason legitimate or not ?!?? they had to delay the second vaccination. That’s fine but be transparent and honest!
The worst part of it is that despite doctors speaking out that it is an issue, the authorities are now saying it’s just fine, and overriding doctors and research with opinion. That part is concerning. Just be honest and admit it’s not ideal but overall it is for the greater good. But no, now they are changing the reality of the science and saying it is effective, which is worth looking at and being concerned about in its own right. But if we don’t demand or care about honesty and transparency than yessss.....it’s fine, everything is fine.
And somehow you expected that after 4 years of chaos and mismanagement, we will have a smooth path to mass innoculation? NO one is in charge. The job of actually getting vaccine into peoples' arms is thrown at the people who are already busy taking care of patients. That's why Trump comes up in the conversation. He walked away months ago from engaging all the people most knowledgeable about pandemic management and left the states on their own. Well, you've seen how stupid some of these governors are - how could they possibly rise to the skill levels of getting this herculean task done when they bungled all the easy stuff? If the voters cared about transparency and honesty, we wouldn't be in this position. I don't plan on any trip to visit family until the fall because I think it will take at least that long to get two injections and wait another 30 days for immunity.
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5 hours ago, wandabous said:
You are so Naive. Study your History of vaccines . Not everyone who doesn't agree with the Current vaccines are anti vacxers. True they have been experimenting with mRNA drugs/vacs. Also you will find particular with Pfzier vac, have not been tested on mice as protocol. Their last experiments with mRNA the mice died. 6 people died in their Clinical trials also. Never tested in animals and on the frail elderly. Study the history a little more. Esp. Gates involvement in Vaccination, and the horrors to unsuspecting African /Indian poor. Trust the Government? Tell that to the WWl troops in Louisiana, infected with bacterial meningitis via vaccination. And on. Do you know your history or you need to fact check via Google? Sad.
Asymptomatic people were found to have near zero virility of virus to be contagious. Testing is faulty. I wish I could link you to the Science, not the Pseudo Science but ,not going to waste my time. It's out there. Science is not exact, that's why there are peer reviews and expert debates which aren't any with this current narrative Stay safe.
Your hysterical opinion unsupported by evidence is not at all compelling. Your mention of Gates makes you sound a bit like a conspiracy fan. The inaccurate statements test all credibility that you believe that you have in these threads.
Either we have the lowest influenza activity in the last 100years or thousands of cases of influenza and their deaths are being counted as Covid https://www.CDC.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm . Also on the two occasions that I had confirmed Covid 19 I asked the provider/MD if I happened to die from an MI, stroke, or pneumonia if I would be counted as a Covid death (I was minimally symptomatic). I was told "absolutely" since it would be impossible to ascertain that Covid did not play "some role" in my morbidity or mortality. I have talked to former ICU coworkers and they advise that even clients with DNR's who are withdrawal (from vents) for other conditions (such as stroke/MI) are being counted as Covid deaths if they are positive (and everyone in the ICU are tested). This is Florida so it that is happening here I cannot imagine what states like California are doing.
It's very early in the flu season, so the sample size is small, but you're correct that flu cases are significantly lower given the time of year. I don't see how this helps your argument though.
If we use the flu as a control for the prevalence and transmission of a respiratory virus to evaluate the current mitigation efforts, it shows that we've reduced it by about 84%, which means without the current measures in place we would have 6 times the Covid cases and deaths that we currently do. So I'm not sure what your point is.
At the very least the situation of not having "second" shot available could be a bonus in terms of opportunity for cohort studies. Thus, it should be easy to compare health care workers who:
a. Declined to take the vaccination. What was their Covid-19 infection, morbidity, and mortality rate along with all cause morbidity and infection rate over the say the next year or two.
b. This group accepted the vaccination but were unable to get the second shot due to supply issues (or did not get it on time).
c. This group received both shots in the specified time frames from the same manufacturer.
d. This group would have received the first shot from one pharmacy company, say Pfizer, but the second dose comes from a different company say AstraZenica.
Such a relatively simple study would provide valuable data, but is anyone currently doing it?
Well, you've seen how stupid some of these governors are - how could they possibly rise to the skill levels of getting this herculean task done
I was initally impressed with my governor but not so much now but Trump has offloaded all responsibility for covid PPE, care and vaccinations to the states. No state had the people or finances in place for this.
I was initially impressed with my governor but not so much now but Trump has offloaded all responsibility for covid PPE, care and vaccinations to the states. No state had the people or finances in place for this.
It's very early in the flu season, so the sample size is small, but you're correct that flu cases are significantly lower given the time of year. I don't see how this helps your argument though.
If we use the flu as a control for the prevalence and transmission of a respiratory virus to evaluate the current mitigation efforts, it shows that we've reduced it by about 84%, which means without the current measures in place we would have 6 times the Covid cases and deaths that we currently do. So I'm not sure what your point is.
That is one hypothesis. Another is that there have been less reported cases of morbidity and mortality from influenza because everything is getting lumped with Covid.
That is one hypothesis. Another is that there have been less reported cases of morbidity and mortality from influenza because everything is getting lumped with Covid.
I don't think influenze patients test positive for Covid. Two different groups.
I had my first vaccine and had not side effects. I have my second on January 11th. I want it, we have staff that keep coming down with COVID, and if there is a change I can lessen or not get it I am willing to give it a try.
That is one hypothesis. Another is that there have been less reported cases of morbidity and mortality from influenza because everything is getting lumped with Covid.
So you think the most likely explanation, other than that measures which reduce the spread of a respiratory virus would also reduce the spread of influenza, is that patients who are Covid negative and influenza positive are being declared Covid deaths? That doesn't seem irrational to you?
So you think the most likely explanation, other than that measures which reduce the spread of a respiratory virus would also reduce the spread of influenza, is that patients who are Covid negative and influenza positive are being declared Covid deaths? That doesn't seem irrational to you?
I believe that there are a plethora of possibilities and that the most likely isn't that influenza has gone down dramatically. However, in the absence of data it is just speculation.
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And somehow you expected that after 4 years of chaos and mismanagement, we will have a smooth path to mass innoculation? NO one is in charge. The job of actually getting vaccine into peoples' arms is thrown at the people who are already busy taking care of patients. That's why Trump comes up in the conversation. He walked away months ago from engaging all the people most knowledgeable about pandemic management and left the states on their own. Well, you've seen how stupid some of these governors are - how could they possibly rise to the skill levels of getting this herculean task done when they bungled all the easy stuff? If the voters cared about transparency and honesty, we wouldn't be in this position. I don't plan on any trip to visit family until the fall because I think it will take at least that long to get two injections and wait another 30 days for immunity.