How do you think the New US President will affect Retrogression?

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It is so hard to wait. I have been watching the news but I really don't get to hear what are their plans for nurse immigrants. As an observer I think Barrack Obama will win. I just hope that something really positive pops up as the new president assumes office. Please share your views on this matter. Thanks:D

Unfortunately, I have read and personally seen that when a Philippine nurse migrates to America a significant part of their salary is sent home ( Up tp 30%). What will help America is immigrants who spend in the USA. For example, instead of supporting the American economy, your fellow countrymen will return home to get more education. This is not supporting the American economy. When Philippine nurses go on vacation they return home. There are more than enough doctors in the US and more than enough Americans who are qualified to be nursing students.

The illegal immigrants are the ones the US economy depends on, they perform jobs that no Americans what to do. The harvest crops, to manual labor, provide childcare and other less than desirable jobs. All of this is done "under the table" meaning they do not pay taxes. When most Americans talk about immigration, they are talking about limiting this activity and in the past, these illegals will be granted permanent status over others who are trying legally to come to the USA.

So in summary, the USA does need immigrants and uses millions of illegal immigrants every day to do jobs that Americans don't want to do. Being a nurse or doctor is not part of this labor force that Americans count on immigrants to keep America strong.

Before I begin, I would like to emphasize that all that I am going to say, I say with out most respect.

Your post is wrong in so may ways.

First of all no one has the right to dictate what one do with their hard-earned money. What they do with their money, how they spend it is their own business.

What is wrong with sending a certain % of money home ?? That has been done for centuries by all immigrants.

Also, anyone living and working in the US is contributing to the greater economy one way or another. A legal worker or a permanent resident is already contributing to the American economy just by paying the proper taxes.

Does spending inside the USA automatically means everything goes to the American economy as well ? If people buy Toyotas, Hondas; toys, including iPhones, Motorola cel phones (all made in China), luxury bags and items from Italy they are sending a certain % already to other countries. Are Americans buying Toyotas and Hondas less American than Americans buying GMs and Fords? Does an American buying a product entirely made in another country (like luxury bags/shoes and other items) and just imported to America for retail less American ?

How about Americans that choose to retire to other countries and buy their retirement homes or condos there? What about Americans that are working abroad? Many do work in other countries like Japan, UK, EU, etc.. Americans are all over the world. When they send money back home in to the US or choose to keep the money they earned from a foreign country in US international banks or in US mutual fund companies and not on local banks and financial institutions are they labeled ingrates by the country they are working in? Aren't they contributing significantly already by simply working in the country they are in ? Of course, they are.

Then why should it not be the same if it were the other way around? Why the double-standard?

Illegals are illegals whatever job they are doing in the US. They are not contributing taxes, and by the way they also send money back home as well. Lets see. Illegals don't pay taxes, sends back (untaxed) money back home, some (if not all) still gets treated in the E.R. and health facilities even if uninsured, gets into shady deals with loan sharks, somehow some gets approved for mortgages to save on rent money but confident they can walk away from the shady mortgage deals (w/c they should have not gotten since they are illegals but somehow happens) and cannot be traced since they are illegals.

If the illegals are the ones that the US economy depends on then everyone (US Citizens, permanent residents and all legal migrants and workers) is screwed. They are obviously more a liability to the US economy than they are worth. Anyone working legally in the US is worth

far more than any illegal, whatever job these illegals do.

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The problem as I see it is that the USA has skilled workers who can't find jobs because they are being sent overseas where people will work for less. I went back to school to become a nurse after my systems job went to a developing nation. The last thing, frankly, that I welcome is importing people in from the developing nations to take this job away from me.

I do wish everyone well. However, I wish to continue my own increasingly tenuous grasp on financial security here.

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Before I begin, I would like to emphasize that all that I am going to say, I say with out most respect.

Your post is wrong in so may ways.

Also, anyone living and working in the US is contributing to the greater economy one way or another. A legal worker or a permanent resident is already contributing to the American economy just by paying the proper taxes.

Does spending inside the USA automatically means everything goes to the American economy as well ? If people buy Toyotas, Hondas; toys, including iPhones, Motorola cel phones (all made in China), luxury bags and items from Italy they are sending a certain % already to other countries. Are Americans buying Toyotas and Hondas less American than Americans buying GMs and Fords? Does an American buying a product entirely made in another country (like luxury bags/shoes and other items) and just imported to America for retail less American ?

Then why should it not be the same if it were the other way around? Why the double-standard?

Illegals are illegals whatever job they are doing in the US. They are not contributing taxes, and by the way they also send money back home as well. Lets see. Illegals don't pay taxes, sends back (untaxed) money back home, some (if not all) still gets treated in the E.R. and health facilities even if uninsured, gets into shady deals with loan sharks, somehow some gets approved for mortgages to save on rent money but confident they can walk away from the shady mortgage deals (w/c they should have not gotten since they are illegals but somehow happens) and cannot be traced since they are illegals.

If the illegals are the ones that the US economy depends on then everyone (US Citizens, permanent residents and all legal migrants and workers) is screwed. They are obviously more a liability to the US economy than they are worth. Anyone working legally in the US is worth

far more than any illegal, whatever job these illegals do.

I'm sorry but I don't believe in your concept that "Anyone working legally in the US is worth far more than any illegal, watever job these illegals do". Nobody is far worth more than anybody whether illegal or legal. You see the people who are here illegal all come from different types of backgrounds, we don't know their status or why they're here. But I will tell you that the ones that I do know that are here are contributing to the economy. These are the illegal immigrants (and some of them are legal BTW) that are keeping the cost of our produce down because they take on the jobs that you and I wouldn't even dream of taking. These people work in the fields picking strawberries and in the packing sheds sorting carrots. This you might not believe or not, but some of them are educated in their home countries, but they left their country because they can't afford to live there. I knew of a pharmacist when I went to visit Mexico who was making about $8.00 a day. I met a man who was an attorney in Costa Rica, and was now working as the head foreman in some agriculture company. His wife was also educated in the medical field (can't remember her field of study) and was a cashier in McDonalds. They came here illegal and are now citizens of this country.

Your comment about illegals getting into "shady" loan sharks just shows pure ignorance on your part. Do you actually think that only illegals get into it with loan sharks? There are lots of people who are legal residents, and natural born citizens who got in over their heads with a mortgage that they now can't pay. They come from all walks of life, not just illegals.

Your statement about them having access to health care is true. They do use our health care system, but why shouldn't they? If I were an illegal here I'd hate for you to be my nurse because of your prejudice against them. Would you give them proper care even if they were illegal? As a nurse you're supposed to give care to all people regardless of their status. They contribute to this nation and I believe that EVERYONE regardless of status should be given basic health care if needed.

Regarding the automobiles! LOL, Toyota actually has factories here in the US :nuke: and is employing American workers. I believe that jobs should be kept here and not sent overseas because it's cheaper. But in a small way they do contribute to the US economy because those goods are brought back to the US where they're sold in stores and other places where people from the US are employed.

Regarding taxes, oh Lord do you have a lot to learn. I will tell you that legal residents, and citizens of this country find a way to evade taxes. There are a lot of them who owe the US government more money in taxes than these illegals make as an income in a year. These illegals are cheap labor because as stated before, they take on the jobs that you and I don't want to take. So lets not get on the issue of taxes when these people don't make enough money to tax anyway.

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I believe the US Economy is the priority of President-elect Obama, but we are not Economists, were Nurses, Im not here to stir a debate, I just want to share you folks this message.

Here's an excerpt form http://www.immigration-law.com/

  • The country's top priority is set at controlling the forest fires in economy that spread wildly in the nation and throughout the world. However, economy is just a part of a whole system and the nation as a system can not achieve a progress unless other subsystems of the society move along with it and sustain the direction of economy. The nation needs a vision for the future of the nation in a comprehensive way and in this regard, we welcome the President-elect's on-going development of a comprehensive agenda to shake not just one sector but all the critical sectors in parallel to redirect our nation to the global leadership in every sectors in the world.
  • Short-sighted view may take the immigration issues contracting the nation's need for a full attention and focus on economic recession. However, a country's economy cannot move ahead unless other critical sectors sustain such move. Economy does not stand alone. This country is built on immigration and we are country of immigrants. Continuing flow of immigrants forms a backbone and blood of the system supporting and sustaining the system unlike other countries in the world. A country's economy cannot sustain unless a fresh new blood is supplied in all sectors including high tech industry as well as the first industry. Country's culture cannot be enriched unless new talented artists, athletes, writers contiue to flow in. The strength for this nation and its sustaining leadership have been founded on such flow of new fresh bloods from all over the world.
  • We understand that the incoming Obama administration and the new Congress will take up comprehensive immigration reform as one of the first, albeit not the top, agenda early next year. We will wait and watch how things will unfold.

LOL! :lol2: More words of wisdom from slimy law firms!

You do understand, of course, that immigration-law.com is merely the website of a law firm that specializes in immigration. Naturally they are going to talk about a "continuing flow of immigrants" being the "backbone" of our economy. That's how they make their money!

I think that with the current economic problems and rising unemployment faced by the US, they are just being cruel to voice their opinion that the US needs additional foreign workers at this time. The US needs to strengthen its economy, and the main way to do that is by focusing our attention on putting Americans back to work.

Remember that on the internet, anyone can say anything, regardless of whether it is true or not. It's just wrong to give false hope to desperate people.

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I'm sorry but I don't believe in your concept that "Anyone working legally in the US is worth far more than any illegal, watever job these illegals do". Nobody is far worth more than anybody whether illegal or legal. You see the people who are here illegal all come from different types of backgrounds, we don't know their status or why they're here. But I will tell you that the ones that I do know that are here are contributing to the economy. These are the illegal immigrants (and some of them are legal BTW) that are keeping the cost of our produce down because they take on the jobs that you and I wouldn't even dream of taking. These people work in the fields picking strawberries and in the packing sheds sorting carrots. This you might not believe or not, but some of them are educated in their home countries, but they left their country because they can't afford to live there. I knew of a pharmacist when I went to visit Mexico who was making about $8.00 a day. I met a man who was an attorney in Costa Rica, and was now working as the head foreman in some agriculture company. His wife was also educated in the medical field (can't remember her field of study) and was a cashier in McDonalds. They came here illegal and are now citizens of this country.

Your comment about illegals getting into "shady" loan sharks just shows pure ignorance on your part. Do you actually think that only illegals get into it with loan sharks? There are lots of people who are legal residents, and natural born citizens who got in over their heads with a mortgage that they now can't pay. They come from all walks of life, not just illegals.

Your statement about them having access to health care is true. They do use our health care system, but why shouldn't they? If I were an illegal here I'd hate for you to be my nurse because of your prejudice against them. Would you give them proper care even if they were illegal? As a nurse you're supposed to give care to all people regardless of their status. They contribute to this nation and I believe that EVERYONE regardless of status should be given basic health care if needed.

Regarding the automobiles! LOL, Toyota actually has factories here in the US :nuke: and is employing American workers. I believe that jobs should be kept here and not sent overseas because it's cheaper. But in a small way they do contribute to the US economy because those goods are brought back to the US where they're sold in stores and other places where people from the US are employed.

Regarding taxes, oh Lord do you have a lot to learn. I will tell you that legal residents, and citizens of this country find a way to evade taxes. There are a lot of them who owe the US government more money in taxes than these illegals make as an income in a year. These illegals are cheap labor because as stated before, they take on the jobs that you and I don't want to take. So lets not get on the issue of taxes when these people don't make enough money to tax anyway.

illegals shouldn;t be treated

Well, you are taking my whole post out of context. I never said illegals should not be treated. Where in my post said that? All I said is that they are being treated even w/o insurance w/c is true as you've said. I never said no US Citizen don't evade taxes either or do not do shady or criminal activities as well. You are the one that said that, not me. Obviously, everyone regardless of status and race do. All I said is that illegals don't pay taxes and do other small illegal things just to be able to stay, w/c is true as well.

Go over my post again and yours and you will see that it is you that have made all the presumptions and assumptions. Not me. Now who's prejudice ??

The only point of my post is why the double-standard ?? Legal migrants and workers don't have the right to send money back home but Americans working abroad can?

And why treat illegals more valuable than legal permanent residents and legal workers? Why question legal residents and workers on where they put their money to?

And the examples I gave about buying products is just to prove a point that almost all products that can be bought now does not go to just one country. If it's made in China, and repacked or imported back to US then a % goes to the Chinese and certain % goes to the US and a certain % goes to all others in-between. Toyota having a plant in the US does not mean everything goes to the US. There will still be a certain % that still goes to the Japanese. And that is precisely my point. GM have plants in China as well and Ford is in the green in Europe. Ford sells more vehicles in Europe than they sell in US. But that's not the point. You got lost with that. The only point I am driving at is that no one has the right to tell anyone where they put their money in and say to spend their money only in the US or to educate themselves or their children in the US only just because they are immigrants and not naturally born in the US when Americans buy foreign-made products as well, does not matter whether 100% foreign or only partially.

Sorry, that you missed the point and I do not know if anyone of you will get my point. But I have to say something and think I worded my post respectfully enough to the best of my ability because I know some of you can't take constructive criticisms. And this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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I think that this could get very ugly and side-tracked from the main issue, which is the retrogression.

That said, the US is struggling with massive and growing unemployment. Skilled workers will not fare well in this economic climate.

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I'm sorry but I don't believe in your concept that "Anyone working legally in the US is worth far more than any illegal, watever job these illegals do". Nobody is far worth more than anybody whether illegal or legal. You see the people who are here illegal all come from different types of backgrounds, we don't know their status or why they're here. But I will tell you that the ones that I do know that are here are contributing to the economy. These are the illegal immigrants (and some of them are legal BTW) that are keeping the cost of our produce down because they take on the jobs that you and I wouldn't even dream of taking. These people work in the fields picking strawberries and in the packing sheds sorting carrots. This you might not believe or not, but some of them are educated in their home countries, but they left their country because they can't afford to live there. I knew of a pharmacist when I went to visit Mexico who was making about $8.00 a day. I met a man who was an attorney in Costa Rica, and was now working as the head foreman in some agriculture company. His wife was also educated in the medical field (can't remember her field of study) and was a cashier in McDonalds. They came here illegal and are now citizens of this country.

Your comment about illegals getting into "shady" loan sharks just shows pure ignorance on your part. Do you actually think that only illegals get into it with loan sharks? There are lots of people who are legal residents, and natural born citizens who got in over their heads with a mortgage that they now can't pay. They come from all walks of life, not just illegals.

Your statement about them having access to health care is true. They do use our health care system, but why shouldn't they? If I were an illegal here I'd hate for you to be my nurse because of your prejudice against them. Would you give them proper care even if they were illegal? As a nurse you're supposed to give care to all people regardless of their status. They contribute to this nation and I believe that EVERYONE regardless of status should be given basic health care if needed.

Regarding the automobiles! LOL, Toyota actually has factories here in the US :nuke: and is employing American workers. I believe that jobs should be kept here and not sent overseas because it's cheaper. But in a small way they do contribute to the US economy because those goods are brought back to the US where they're sold in stores and other places where people from the US are employed.

Regarding taxes, oh Lord do you have a lot to learn. I will tell you that legal residents, and citizens of this country find a way to evade taxes. There are a lot of them who owe the US government more money in taxes than these illegals make as an income in a year. These illegals are cheap labor because as stated before, they take on the jobs that you and I don't want to take. So lets not get on the issue of taxes when these people don't make enough money to tax anyway.

Well, you are taking my whole post out of context. I never said illegals should not be treated. Where in my post said that? All I said is that they are being treated even w/o insurance w/c is true as you've said. I never said no US Citizen don't evade taxes either or do not do shady or criminal activities as well. You are the one that said that, not me. Obviously, everyone regardless of status and race do. All I said is that illegals don't pay taxes and do other small illegal things just to be able to stay, w/c is true as well.

Go over my post again and yours and you will see that it is you that have made all the presumptions and assumptions. Not me. Now who's prejudice ??

The only point of my post is why the double-standard ?? Legal migrants and workers don't have the right to send money back home but Americans working abroad can? And before anyone can put my post out of context again, I am not saying Americans working abroad don't have such right. Everyone has. Hope that's clear.

And why treat illegals more valuable than legal permanent residents and legal workers? Why question legal residents and workers on where they put their money to?

And the examples I gave about buying products is just to prove a point that almost all products that can be bought now does not go to just one country. If it's made in China, and repacked or imported back to US then a % goes to the Chinese and certain % goes to the US and a certain % goes to all others in-between. Toyota having a plant in the US does not mean everything goes to the US. There will still be a certain % that still goes to the Japanese. And that is precisely my point. GM have plants in China as well and Ford is in the green in Europe. Ford sells more vehicles in Europe than they sell in US. But that's not the point. You got lost with that. The only point I am driving at is that no one has the right to tell anyone where they put their money in and say to spend their money only in the US or to educate themselves or their children in the US only (and if they don't they are not contributing to the US' greater economy) just because they are immigrants and not naturally born in the US when Americans buy foreign-made products as well and it does not matter whether 100% foreign or only partially.

Sorry, that you missed the point and I do not know if anyone of you will get my point. But I have to say something and think I worded my post respectfully enough to the best of my ability because I know some of you can't take constructive criticisms. Last time i checked this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

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illegals shouldn;t be treated

Well, you are taking my whole post out of context. I never said illegals should not be treated. Where in my post said that? All I said is that they are being treated even w/o insurance w/c is true as you've said. I never said no US Citizen don't evade taxes either or do not do shady or criminal activities as well. You are the one that said that, not me. Obviously, everyone regardless of status and race do. All I said is that illegals don't pay taxes and do other small illegal things just to be able to stay, w/c is true as well.

Go over my post again and yours and you will see that it is you that have made all the presumptions and assumptions. Not me. Now who's prejudice ??

The only point of my post is why the double-standard ?? Legal migrants and workers don't have the right to send money back home but Americans working abroad can?

And why treat illegals more valuable than legal permanent residents and legal workers? Why question legal residents and workers on where they put their money to?

And the examples I gave about buying products is just to prove a point that almost all products that can be bought now does not go to just one country. If it's made in China, and repacked or imported back to US then a % goes to the Chinese and certain % goes to the US and a certain % goes to all others in-between. Toyota having a plant in the US does not mean everything goes to the US. There will still be a certain % that still goes to the Japanese. And that is precisely my point. GM have plants in China as well and Ford is in the green in Europe. Ford sells more vehicles in Europe than they sell in US. But that's not the point. You got lost with that. The only point I am driving at is that no one has the right to tell anyone where they put their money in and say to spend their money only in the US or to educate themselves or their children in the US only just because they are immigrants and not naturally born in the US when Americans buy foreign-made products as well, does not matter whether 100% foreign or only partially.

Sorry, that you missed the point and I do not know if anyone of you will get my point. But I have to say something and think I worded my post respectfully enough to the best of my ability because I know some of you can't take constructive criticisms. And this is a forum and everyone is entitled to their opinion.

No, I understood your post very well....You stated some stuff that doesn't just apply to illegals, but stuff that US citizens and legal residents are doing. You're saying that illegals are doing this and that and yet people who are US citizens and legal residents are doing what you're accusing the illegals of doing. But yet you're only attacking the illegals.

I agree that you're entitled to your opinion, and I'm entitled to mine and what I did was rip your post because you left too many loop holes for interpretation....Maybe you didn't word it correctly I have no idea. But some of your statements were descrimatory against illegals and of course some of the stuff you said were only half true.

Regarding being prejudice, re-read what you wrote and what I've quoted what you said. You made the statement about illegals "Anybody working in the US legally is far worth more than any illegal, whatever job these illegals do" Did you or did you not say that? Do you see how you left it open for interpretation. So are you saying that an illegal who is picking tomatoes and keeping produce down is worth far less than the CEO of Delta Airlines who is driving the company to the ground and walks out with more than a million dollars in bonuses? You might not have flat out stated it in those words, but that's an example I used when asking yout he question comparing someone who is working here legally and one who isn't. See you don't even know the jobs that these illegals do. They keep the cost of your food down which is a necessity last time I checked. Be very careful of what you say and how you say it because people can interpret it differently and you might not have meant it in the wrong way, but that's how it was taken because of your poor choice of words.

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And why treat illegals more valuable than legal permanent residents and legal workers? Why question legal residents and workers on where they put their money to?

I'm saying treat everyone equally, illegal or legal doesn't matter a human is a human. Nobody is subhuman because of the immigration status. I do agree with what you wrote about questioning on where people are sending their money....Notice it's "their money" and they can send it home for all I care, they have family and they're helping them out. Just as some of us have family here in the US who might live in a different state, and we also send them money. But it's "your money" you can do whatever you want with it.

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Sorry but you are still taking my post out of context.

This would be my last post regarding the issue as I do not want my posts taken out of context anymore.

That was post was in response to a specific post and that only.

Just hoping someone understands my point.

And when I say you do not understand my point it means you do not understand my point. You cannot say you understand when the original author or poster says you don't either. When you still insist that you do besides what the original author says then that just proves that you are taking it out of context alright.

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I love this thread, it is full time someone stand up for illegAl immigrants. I am very happy that Obama is the president of the United States, those of us who believe that illegal nurses have years to wait for retrogression are so wrong. Negativity has no place in progress. We all are going to be shocked at the outcome. Keep reading and learning!

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I think some are confused about "retrogression".

The term retrogression only pertains to people who are doing things legally. It pertains to people who have gone through the whole immigration process already and just waiting for visa numbers to be allocated.

"Illegals" are not part of the immigration system, that us why they are called "illegals".

What some are you may be thinking of instead is "amnesty" because that is the only way an "illegal" can be turned to "legal".

Also, both camps should not expect anything yet from Obama regarding immigration. Just very recently he said that he has no problems if his Aunt who is living illegally in Boston be deported.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi is not so hot on "amnesty" or "path to citizenship" either.

However, these are politicians and they can change their minds depending on the tides.

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