I have noticed in the past two days that people are posting threads that are directly angry at the Filipino nurses..simply they are getting the jobs from us!
Well, I have seen nurses coming from Canada, U.K., Mexico and Eastern Europe as well; and it seems to me most of you don't want to mention this. Is that mean nurses from Canada, and U.K. are treated differently?
I could like to point out the Filipino nurses just like many others; they are educated, having strong sense of being team players and working hard just like many of us...Most of all, they are very committed and their overturn rate is relatively low. When it comes to the overturn rate, the management will consider it as a way of saving money! I have seen many U.S. educated nurses will quit their jobs or they just disappeared somewhere... Do I want to work with nurses like that...Of course, I don't! I have been assigned to four patients in the Med/Surg ICU inasmuch as some nurses just called in sick! They are so irresponsible! They jeopardize the patient's lives and my license! It is a mystery for them to become nurses in the first place.
When you look back, this country is indeed built on racism! Look at the African Americans...and I have just proved my point! Has anyone of us recalled there was a vice president who could not even spell the word "potato?" Unfortunately, history always repeats itself and if you have the right skin color, it does not matter whether you can spell some simple words or not....and you will get the job!
At the end, I would rather work with people who are very committed to their work and have the disciplines to go to work when they are supposed to go to work!
whatever the situation maybe, it doesnt call for racial, or bigoted remarks.... im an american citizen who just happens to be educated and finished my BSN in the philippines .....and yes i am filipino... and i for one do not believe that the workforce in the the medical field, nursing in particular is overflowing with filipino nurses, it just so happens that this profession is one that filipino immigrants tend to flock to...but it doesnt mean that it is being overtaken by them .. i have co workers of all colors and races and cultures.... and there are only a handdul of filipino nurses within the facility...
This is the whole point. When you read the posts right here, a lot of people are still in the state of denial. They hate the "R" word. When I asked them about the Canadian and British nurses, they intended to bring out something else. Well, what else I can say?
Uhm, on behalf of the Canadian nurses who read this forum, I just want to say you haven't got a clue, do you?
Ever heard of NAFTA? Your country, my country and Mexico signed it. Makes it easier for North American workers to move between countries as well.
Now can I break a few bubbles? Many of us make more than US nurses. A new PN starts at $21/hour, a new RN at $30. Add in shift diffs and it goes higher. We are unionized, have great benefits. Not as many of us go south as did in the '90s. Most go to a warmer climate, have the urge to travel but most return home within five years. One nurse I know walked out due to racism in the work place after 6 months.
Should we start sending home the US nurses who come north to work in our system? The ones that love being able to have universal healthcare without paying huge monthly premiums, who enjoy the protection of our unions?
Get your ducks in order before you start shooting.
Yes! Send them home! That's the point! If there are enough qualified RN's that are Canadian citizens, then by all means send home the ones working on VISA's. Every country needs to employ THEIR citizens first, then if there are openings, allow immigrant RN's! But to employ RN's from other countrys while our RN citizens are unemployed is a problem.
25/hr without benefits is less than 21 with benefits and a good union.
Who would care about the benefits? I had to finish my AAS in Nursing and that was my priority! But don't miss the other statement I made; I said, " the LPN's in New York City make more than $21/hour with benefits..."
Who would care about the benefits? I had to finish my AAS in Nursing and that was my priority! But don't miss the other statement I made; I said, " the LPN's in New York City make more than $21/hour with benefits..."
I think you are missing the point...
of the entire thread... That's just my humble opinion.
I agree it seems racist to point out the Filipino Nurses. And, yes, our VP couldn't spell. However, at this time, when we are having trouble finding jobs for citizens of this country, I feel that importing Nurses from other countries is a big problem and would naturally cause anger in people that are usually not racist.
Americans have come along way in thier thinking towards people who migrate looking for a better life. It was not just the people of color who were discriminated against. Some of my family came here from Ireland, England and Germany. They were refused jobs, land, any help at all. They could not have been any whiter if they wanted to. Other people in my family were born here before the English settled on this land. They were chased off thier land and in some cases killed, because they were in the way of the countries progress.
I do have to also agree that I would rather work with people who are very committed to thier work & show up when scheduled. But I hope I would be one of those people who would be understanding when illness & other emergencies happen.
So basically no North American nurse should be able to enjoy the freedom granted via NAFTA and it's ilk to travel and experience working in North America?
The nurses I know who have worked in the US just were glad to come home to a place where they didn't have to worry about benefits being tied to a job, could have a catastrophic illness without fearing bankruptcy.
From what I understand NY has alway paid well due to the cost of living there. Many states don't pay that well and I've read the posts on this forum to know that. Factor in my local cost of living and my $31/hr goes a long way.
Who would care about the benefits? I had to finish my AAS in Nursing and that was my priority! But don't miss the other statement I made; I said, " the LPN's in New York City make more than $21/hour with benefits..."
No that reads as $21/hr when the cost of the benefits package is factored in. If you mean otherwise it should read $21 before benefits and premiums.
Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman U.S. Department of Homeland Security Mail Stop 1225 Washington, DC 20528-1225 Email:
Improving the Processing of
"Schedule A" Nurse Visas
December 5, 2008
I. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY
The nursing shortage in the United States is becoming increasingly problematic and may adversely affect the health care industry. According to a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) 2007 study, the United States will require 1.2 million new Registered Nurses (RNs) by 2014 to meet the nursing demand: approximately 500,000 RNs to replace nurses leaving the field, and "an additional 700,000 to meet growing demand for nursing services."1 Congress has passed legislation that recognizes the labor shortage for nurses. The U.S. Department of Labor (DOL) has taken steps to address the shortage by designating RNs as a Schedule A occupation.2 Schedule A precertification is a determination that there are insufficient U.S. nurses who are able, willing, qualified, and available, and that the wages and working conditions of U.S. workers similarly employed will not be adversely affected by the employment of foreign nationals.3
Uhm, on behalf of the Canadian nurses who read this forum, I just want to say you haven't got a clue, do you?
Ever heard of NAFTA? Your country, my country and Mexico signed it. Makes it easier for North American workers to move between countries as well.
Now can I break a few bubbles? Many of us make more than US nurses. A new PN starts at $21/hour, a new RN at $30. Add in shift diffs and it goes higher. We are unionized, have great benefits. Not as many of us go south as did in the '90s. Most go to a warmer climate, have the urge to travel but most return home within five years. One nurse I know walked out due to racism in the work place after 6 months.
Should we start sending home the US nurses who come north to work in our system? The ones that love being able to have universal healthcare without paying huge monthly premiums, who enjoy the protection of our unions?
Get your ducks in order before you start shooting.
I do think it is ironic that immigrant RN's dream of moving to the USA, then in your post you say American RN's are moving to Canada for a better life! Unions and Healthcare! Pretty soon the Immigrant RN's will move to the USA, find their dream overwhelmed by healthcare costs and no unions, then move on to Canada!
leslie :-D
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as with other specialties, icu has its own unique set of stressors.
work conditions are often deplorable and more important, dangerous (to the pts).
that is why we have hundreds of thousands of nurses who have left the bedside.
so while reliability is a desirable trait, it also proves that many filipino nurses will show up, regardless of work environment...
which ultimately keeps our wages and workplace rights, depressed.
showing up is ideal for the employer...
not so much for the hundreds of thousands of nurses who are being and have been battered, over and over and over again.
leslie