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Grocery store workers hazard pay

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Specializes in BLS, ACLS, CARDIAC, ER.

Is anyone else irritated by the fact that there are countless professions who are required to work during covid but the new is always revolving around grocery store employee needing hazard pay? What about nurses, doctors, hvac, etc..what are your thoughts?

JabuJabule, LPN

Specializes in LTC and COVID vacccination. Has 2 years experience.

I have no opinion honestly. I get hazard pay at my job. Although, I do agree that the countless professions should be getting some sort of compensation. They deserve it just as much as a nurse/etc if not more.

JabuJabule, LPN

Specializes in LTC and COVID vacccination. Has 2 years experience.

I currently work in LTC, but I also just got a job as a COVID vaccination nurse 🙂

The only place I've seen this discussion is here; I believe there was at least one other thread in which this was the subject. 

I do not get "hazard" pay where I work, nor do I expect it.

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MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

I've never been under the impression that nursing doesn't involve caring for patients with communicable diseases, or that epidemics or pandemics can occur, so I don't expect extra pay for something I've understood to be part of the job.

4 hours ago, 1gr8trnstudent said:

Is anyone else irritated by the fact that there are countless professions who are required to work during covid but the new is always revolving around grocery store employee needing hazard pay? What about nurses, doctors, hvac, etc..what are your thoughts?

No it doesn't irritate me. First of all, it is laughable to even think of comparing their wages to those of an RN, let alone a physician. Secondly, in no way, shape, or form did they sign up to deal with the health concerns of the general public as part of their job*. Thirdly, they've had to put up with a$$hats asserting their rights, and corporations/business owners who will rarely if ever put the needs, health, wellness or safety of an employee above the "rights" of anyone who has a dollar to spend in the store.

I guess that sums up how I feel about it.

*I don't believe nurses signed up to be betrayed by employers during times of pandemic, either. But we did at least know that we would be dealing closely with the health needs of patients, including infectious diseases.

 

NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion. Has 44 years experience.

Hundreds of people can come through a checkout counter in an 8-10hr shift with customers handling groceries prior to clerk ringing up item --much higher chance of asymptomatic spread., IMHO.  

Especially true for these staff

 

TheMoonisMyLantern, ADN, LPN, RN

Specializes in Mental health, substance abuse, geriatrics, PCU. Has 14 years experience.

Hazard pay? As long as my pay check clears the bank, then that's payment enough. I knew getting into nursing that I was going to be dealing with infectious diseases, and COVID is not the only bug out there that scares me nor is it the only nasty one I've been exposed to. Not for nothing, but infectious disease experts have been predicting another worldwide pandemic for many years prior to COVID so I kind of figured at some point in my lifetime I'd be stuck working during one. 

As JK pointed out, many essential workers are given low wages that probably don't justify the amount of risk they take by being potentially exposed at work so giving them hazard pay isn't going to ruffle my feathers and by all means I think they should get some form of extra compensation for continuing to work during all this mess.

 

verene, MSN

Specializes in mental health / psychiatic nursing.

I think a big difference is that those of us in healthcare know that adverse circumstances and potential exposure to illness ARE a part of the job we have signed up for (covid has highlighted that risk, but we never really know what illnesses a patient my bring with them - global pandemic or no pandemic). As long as employer is taking adequate precautions and providing the equipment and protocols to keep us safe - we are probably MORE safe than  your average grocery store worker because our environment is often more controlled, and we have more knowledge of, and better access to infection prevention, and greater ability to respond quickly to isolate potential outbreaks/vectors. 

There is also a pretty stark pay discrepancy between working in a grocery store and most (though certainly not all) health care jobs.  When I worked in a grocery store I made minimum wage, no tips, and the scantest benefits ever.  Even as a CNA I made more and had better benefits.  As a PMHNP I am paid MUCH more for that potential risk of exposure than a grocery store clerk (and am given PPE that reduces my risk if used correctly) (I also now have sick leave, and qualify for FMLA which I didn't have when I worked as a grocery store clerk). 

I actually see it as rather insensitive to those who work in other essential fields and for all those who are unemployed by this pandemic to contemplate asking for hazard pay in my current role and would actually be rather offended to be offered it. 

Clearly - others have different experiences - and if I was in a different role, or different setting/environment - or with a different employer - my feelings on this subject may differ. 

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clarification.

DowntheRiver

Specializes in Urgent Care, Oncology. Has 7 years experience.

On 2/11/2021 at 1:24 AM, NRSKarenRN said:

 

 

Welcome to Florida. I'm a Florida native. 

I had to quit my job as an Oncology nurse because I did not feel safe around my co-workers while pregnant. One flew to Wyoming, came back with COVID,  and had a super spreader Thanksgiving event where 15 people came back positive. She then proceeded to work 3 days asymptomatic. None of my coworkers would get the vaccine and they were constantly pulling their masks down or off. ETA: They all believe this is just a flu and that our immune system naturally fights it off. 

We just hosted the Super Bowl and people all over the country saw how the locals acted here. All I want to do is just go to BBB for 20 minutes and test some strollers but I can't even do that because people just don't care here.

I did get my first Pfizer at 13+4 on Thursday. The nurses in the vaccine triage area were talking about me (after I walked around the corner) and getting the vaccine while pregnant. They were all "I'd never do it." My pregnancy brain may be broken but my ears worked just fine. They knew I was a nurse, too, because that's how I qualified to get the vaccine. 

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brandy1017, ASN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care.

On 2/10/2021 at 11:52 PM, MunoRN said:

I've never been under the impression that nursing doesn't involve caring for patients with communicable diseases, or that epidemics or pandemics can occur, so I don't expect extra pay for something I've understood to be part of the job.

I do believe healthcare workers deserve hazard pay, particularly those that are working on covid wings.  The federal govt has given billions out to hospitals to help and they are supposed to spend that money on their staff.  My system got over a billion and still doesn't give hazard pay.  Wonder where all the money went!

MunoRN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care. Has 10 years experience.

13 minutes ago, brandy1017 said:

I do believe healthcare workers deserve hazard pay, particularly those that are working on covid wings.  The federal govt has given billions out to hospitals to help and they are supposed to spend that money on their staff.  My system got over a billion and still doesn't give hazard pay.  Wonder where all the money went!

The cumulative hospital supplements for Covid average about $50 k for each hospital in the US which is still well below the additional costs.

vintagegal, BSN, RN

Specializes in Geriatrics. Has 2 years experience.

I chose my profession and I understand risks. I don’t expect anything. If we go down this rabbit hole of thinking, then I expect hazard pay to be given to any convenience  store clerk who works graveyard or in a bad area of town.

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Closed Account 12345

Has 14 years experience.

No. Why would I ever begrudge a frontline worker (or anyone) a good thing during this difficult season? I'm  happy when good things happen to people, especially when the good things have zero negative impact on others.

Community members are not harmed by the fact that their grocery store workers made a small raise. Nurses are not harmed by the fact that  grocery  store  workers  made a small raise.

Why in the world would this irritate anyone? 

There's been no shortage of praise and recognition of nurses this year. You can find the stories on any news page. You can read about nurses  being flown to the Super Bowl. 

If you don't like your  wages, take it up with your manager- not out on grocery store workers.

1gr8trnstudent, ADN, BSN, RN

Specializes in BLS, ACLS, CARDIAC, ER.

I appreciate all the feedback. The point of my post was to vent my frustration with having to hear about hazard pay for a specific group when a whole lot of jobs are also facing the same covid situation with no hazard pay. 

brandy1017, ASN, RN

Specializes in Critical Care.

48 minutes ago, Closed Account 12345 said:

No. Why would I ever begrudge a frontline worker (or anyone) a good thing during this difficult season? I'm  happy when good things happen to people, especially when the good things have zero negative impact on others.

Community members are not harmed by the fact that their grocery store workers made a small raise. Nurses are not harmed by the fact that  grocery  store  workers  made a small raise.

Why in the world would this irritate anyone? 

There's been no shortage of praise and recognition of nurses this year. You can find the stories on any news page. You can read about nurses  being flown to the Super Bowl. 

If you don't like your  wages, take it up with your manager- not out on grocery store workers.

I agree and am glad that front line workers like grocery store workers are getting hazard pay.  They deserve it!  Also I'm glad they have put in plastic dividers as safeguards at the checkout.

That said I stand by that nurses deserve hazard pay as well, particularly those working with the covid patients.  Other posts mention while nurses are working short staffed, the CEO's and the top dogs are getting big bonuses.  That is simply disgusting!  In no way are they at risk the way the nurses are, and sadly their choice to under staff both increases risk and stress on the nurses and patients, yet they are rewarded with the hundred thousand plus!

Like I said my healthcare system got over a billion dollars, yet no hazard pay, but I'm sure the big shots made a mint off us!  Over 3,000 healthcare workers have died!  There may be some rural hospitals that are truly suffering, but these big systems are not or they wouldn't be throwing millions in bonuses to the big shots!  My system had over a billion dollars in reserve. 

They are now offering $40/hour bonus to pick up, but no takers.  Instead the nurses are fleeing and now they can pay travelers crisis pay!  Maybe if they had shown nurses respect and given hazard pay and decent staffing they wouldn't be in the situation they are in.  Ten more nurses have quit since I did!

1gr8trnstudent, ADN, BSN, RN

Specializes in BLS, ACLS, CARDIAC, ER.

I also agree with you Brandy. I work in the ED where I do not get covid pay but ICU nurses in my facility get covid pay and I am dealing with covid unknowns. I also agree that the top executives are taking millions of bonuses with us doing the hardwork. I also think its disgusting to see facilities pay ridiculous money for travel nurses and tell their staff nurses they will not be getting a raise. The whole system is disgusting and disturbed.