Doctor as a patient

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Both my patient's last week were both doctor's. One was a retired family practice doctor and the other was a nephrologist. Now, this is not my first time having taken care of patients who work in the health field, but it was the first time they got preferrential treatment from the staff (including MD's) for their profession.

I addressed both patients as Mr A and Mr B, while everyone else called them doctor. Now, that created some confusion for me because here I have people calling me to ask how Dr. so and so is doing or if Dr so and so has been extubated...Uh okay. Some of the nurses would go into their rooms and start by saying Mr and then catch themselves mid sentence and say " Oh I'm sorry Doctor." Anyway, at the end of the day if they felt the need to call them doctor that's their choice.

What really got on my nerve though was the fact that Mr/Dr A was basically writing his own orders. He demanded to be extubated, and even though he failed weaning he got extubated. During weaning one of the doctors told me to stand by him because he was going apneic for more than 30 seconds. So I told him to put him back on a rate until the sedation I had just turned off an hr ago wore off and the patient was more alert. So what does doctor do, he sits there watching. Mind you this is a busy place and the reason I could not do it was because I had to take Mr/Dr B to CT. So Dr. A gets extubated and then demands to have his NGT taken out (this is 1st day post op abd surgery), when they tell me not to he takes it out himself. Still lethargic he demands a PCA even though he spends most of the day sleeping, so of course he gets an order for 0.9 MS q10mins (they started at 0.5mg but increased everytime he asked them to). Two days later he is advanced to clears, but my doctor patient says "no, put me back as NPO I'm scared I'm going to vomit if I drink." That same daythey tell him he is getting transferred to the floor, and he refuses. He speaks to the atteding and tells him he feels he is not ready to leave the ICU (mind you this guy is stable from an ICU standpoint), so he now has orders to stay for another two days.

So to cut it all short, how do you guys feel about having doctor/patients. What is your experience? I'm all for having patients having an input on their care but I have to say I had a pretty heavy day with these two (I did not want to go into Mr B, but his wife (pharmacist) and daughters (MD) also made me feel like a glorified maid)

I've cared for 4 physicians as patients. They were all very polite. I called them by their first names. They didn't try to push any orders and would say things like "Well, whatever my attending decides is good enough for me. Thanks."

Specializes in cardiothoracic surgery.

In the past year I have taken care of 3 patients that were doctors. Every one of them was an absolute pleasure to work with. None of them were demanding and all of them always said thank you. I agree that it sounds like your patients would act the same regardless if they were doctors or not. As far as calling them doctor, I just ask them what they prefer to be called. And they don't get any special treatment because I treat all my patients the same--I don't care what you do for a living. Now, just a side note, in my experience family members that are nurses are more of a pain than family members that are doctors. But that is a whole other thread......

I have cared for a few MDs and I just called them Dr so and so.

My workplace calls all patients by last names. Mr. Ms. or Dr. all work fine.

I have had a couple of doctor patients and they were all great.

It's not whether the patient is a doctor- it's whether they are a jerk, plain and simple.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.

i've taken care of a number of physicians. some of them were great; some of them were jerks. we had one that used to disconnect himself from the monitor, dart out the back door to the unit, carry his iv pumps down the stairs (post sternotomy) and duck outside for a smoke. he was a pulmonologist. he should have known better. during one of his trips outside to smoke he dehisced. served him right.

Specializes in Transplant/Surgical ICU.

Nice to hear the experiences you all have had in this. I really rspect doc's for their hard work and if they prefer to be called Dr so and so, I would gladly comply. On the other hand, would they ask their attorney or a judge to call the doctor? If you are not at work, why do you want to be called doctor? Oh well...

demand that you buy him a newspaper out of your own pocket money, etc.... and have management BACK HIM saying "well, the 50 cents a paper costs wont kill you." "someone of his status deserves the extra TLC..." - grrrrrrrrrr!!!

Dude I'd be like "HES A DOCTOR. He makes at LEAST double what I make a year. If 50 cents wont kill me it certainly won't kill him.."

Specializes in Cardiac.
I had a doc as a patient once. He was one of the heads of a department in the hospital - he was also a nightmare. Demanded to stay in the ICU *and* with 1:1 care, he worked for anesthesia and we had BIG issues with his friends coming up from the OR and medicating him, changing his PCA, messing with his gtts, etc... and just walking away - everyone denying that it was "them" that did it. He even tried to bully some new grads into taking verbal orders for narcs for himself. He was there for a very suspicious infection in a very odd place with extremely high tolerance for narcotics and ended up getting investigated due to nurses reporting how much he was taking. He was SO badly behaved that the medical director of the ICU that he was on refused to take any more of his cases or deal with him on a professional level in the hospital!!

He was the ONLY patient I ever had demand x number of washcloths, count seconds that you let the hot water run, demand to be washed a certain way - his hands were FULLY functional, demand that you buy him a newspaper out of your own pocket money, etc.... and have management BACK HIM saying "well, the 50 cents a paper costs wont kill you." "someone of his status deserves the extra TLC..." - grrrrrrrrrr!!!

the only good thing that came of it was my developed DEEP respect for another attending in the hospital who apparently was one of the patient's students years and years ago. This attending set up camp in his room in the ICU when he heard rumors of how much trouble he was causes the nurses staff and HE catered to his needs. He repositioned him, changed his linens, got him water, helped him with his meds, stopped other docs from medicating him and referred everyone who wanted to give him meds to the nurse. He would poke his head and out say "when you have a second, i just need a new pillowcase?" it was "thank you" "please" and "don't worry, i'll do it." He is - to date - my favorite doctor ever. Even when he would round, he would make sure his interns and residents ALWAYS asked the nurse - "do you need any orders? While I'm here, do you need a boost or a turn?"

sometimes - one good apple cancels out the bad one!

This MD sounds like a great doc who truly cares for his pts and cares about the caregivers caring for his pts! Good for him! You don't see that as often as you should...

Specializes in New PACU RN.

I had a doctor once as a student - he was polite but wanted the minimum of contact. His mind was elsewhere. I felt bad for him - he was in his mid 30s and had a sport injury that paralyzed him.

I refered to him using his first name. I didn't know he was a doctor until the middle of my shift, it didn't really matter.

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
Any patient can "refuse" an NGT or to remain intubated. It sounds like your MD patients were not only doctors but jerks.

and that the Doctors pandering to them need to be reminded by their clinical director exactly who is accountable.

A Health professional 'Demanding' that the plan of care be changed is an obvious conflict of interest, that said there is no reason why a peer to peer conversation over plans of care shouldn't take place as with any other patient ( given some of my patients have had their condition for 40 + years and are very much the 'expert patient' ) who has sufficient insight into care ...

In other clinical settings I've looked after the full range of different Health Professionals as patients and been the 'health professional as patient' and have been the ' friend / relative who is a health professional' - has this changed the dynamic - of course it has because we talk shop professional to professional , has this changed the course of treatment - again but based on the fact that because I have different sets of skills, knowledge and experiences than Joe or Josephine Public , the risk assessments are different ....

interfering in your own prescribing or demanding to stay in a critical care bed is definitely overstepping the mark.

Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
I have taken care of several doctors also and had a good experience with all. My most irritating, PITB, prima dona pt was the wife of an anesthesiologist. What a pain she was to care for.

was she a Doc herself or just suffering from acute on chronic 'Wife of' syndrome ...

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